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Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6438 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 17 of 20 12 June 2010 at 11:40am | IP Logged |
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I'm not sure why it was said French sounds "unenunciated"... compared to what? Arabic? I think it's fair to say French is more enunciated than its relatives (Spanish/Italian). Feel free to disagree with me my fellow Romance aficionados. :) |
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Looking at the sound shifts French has gone through, often leaving it with very shortened versions of words when written phonetically, and the spelling of French words, which is chock full of unpronounced letters, and phenomenon like liaison, I do think French does sound unenunciated compared to other Romance languages.
Even without taking etymology into account, I'd say Spanish and Italian generally sound more clearly spoken; the stress patterns, and the lower frequency of words blurring into each other are probably a factor in this.
I don't see why this would be particularly important, though.
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| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5566 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian
| Message 18 of 20 12 June 2010 at 4:52pm | IP Logged |
One person's "unenunciated" is another's "efficient". I rather like the shortened words in French. All the other languages I've studied, with the exception of Mandarin, require many more syllables than English to express the same concepts.
If anybody needs another reason to learn French, how about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-5fcFEohLA
Edited by Levi on 12 June 2010 at 4:57pm
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| parasitius Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5997 days ago 220 posts - 323 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Cantonese, Polish, Spanish, French
| Message 19 of 20 13 June 2010 at 6:05am | IP Logged |
Relax, everyone, I don't think he REALLY expects us to convince him, he just wanted to vent about how annoying he finds the language and its partisans. That is fine.
Personally, I pity the French because they have to "be" the target of so much Orientalism world-wide. They have to be the ones that everyone says all this nonsensical stuff about "romantic sounding language" etc. about (even in the middle of China). None of that hogwash makes any sense to me and I doubt anyone who says that hogwash has actually learned the language to decent fluency.
It reminds me of when I was in Japanese 101 in college. The Japanese partisans, as in anime otaku wannabe's, made me really uncomfortable about learning a language that I really wanted to because they smeared its image. I don't want these people who say weird things about French to also make me uncomfortable about learning an otherwise wicked cool language, but I fear they already have. I'll learn it one day just to spite them, and the thread author should too!
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| Person1235 Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5348 days ago 16 posts - 30 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Sign Language
| Message 20 of 20 13 June 2010 at 6:34am | IP Logged |
parasitius wrote:
Relax, everyone, I don't think he REALLY expects us to convince him, he just wanted to vent about how annoying he finds the language and its partisans. That is fine.
Personally, I pity the French because they have to "be" the target of so much Orientalism world-wide. They have to be the ones that everyone says all this nonsensical stuff about "romantic sounding language" etc. about (even in the middle of China). None of that hogwash makes any sense to me and I doubt anyone who says that hogwash has actually learned the language to decent fluency.
It reminds me of when I was in Japanese 101 in college. The Japanese partisans, as in anime otaku wannabe's, made me really uncomfortable about learning a language that I really wanted to because they smeared its image. I don't want these people who say weird things about French to also make me uncomfortable about learning an otherwise wicked cool language, but I fear they already have. I'll learn it one day just to spite them, and the thread author should too! |
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Actually... That's exactly what I was doing. Granted, what I did may not have been terribly appropriate, but when it comes to emotions- better out in a healthy way than kept in. :) And, yes. I'm all set on giving my best shot at learning French this summer. I've got an idea of how I'm going to keep a language journal on here and everything. I'll post a link to this thread when the time comes.
Eagarly awaiting my time to study,
Scott
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