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ember
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Message 9 of 21

12 March 2010 at 3:21pm | IP Logged

Teango wrote:

"Scripts with a good grapheme-to-phoneme correspondence include those of <...> Greek, <...>

OH REALLY?!!
The thing that bugs be most in Greek is that there are several ways to render [o] and . I never know which one to use and have to look up the spelling for LOTS of words when I write.

On second thought, all the other phonemes are pretty much clear. So may be Wiki it's right after all.

Edited by ember on 12 March 2010 at 3:22pm
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12 March 2010 at 3:43pm | IP Logged

IronFist wrote:

With Japanese, I hear a new word and I instantly know how to say it and how to write it (not Kanji, obviously, but hiragana). I know how to write it. I know how to say it.

If I may, Japanese also has pitch accent, which is not indicated in the writing and which most foreigners are unaware of.

Then again, English also has stress which we don't write.
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Message 11 of 21

12 March 2010 at 3:59pm | IP Logged

Jeetjet?

I think it's just called "contractions" as far as I remember.

Edited by GREGORG4000 on 12 March 2010 at 4:00pm
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Message 12 of 21

12 March 2010 at 5:06pm | IP Logged

Now that I think of it, I hear "ionno" all the time, but the brain fills in the blanks. Languages are spoken more "lazy" than we believe they are. There is a Swedish book called "Slappt uttal" (~"Lazy pronunciation") with a lot of examples of "lazy speech" of even news readers and politicians.
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12 March 2010 at 5:28pm | IP Logged

jeff_lindqvist wrote:

That is a fact. Actually, in context, I'm guessing the intonation pattern of "I don't know" is enough to be understood, even if you didn't utter a single sound.

Edited by Arekkusu on 12 March 2010 at 5:30pm
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12 March 2010 at 6:09pm | IP Logged

Pyx wrote:

You're right with the i's and u's (see How to use an apostrophe. Don't worry, it's from The Oatmeal, so it's funny and not boring :) )
Hey, do you really say "ionno"? Where in the states are you from? I can't recall ever having heard that. "I'd'no", yes, but "ionno"?
Also, Chinese is a pain the ass for that exact reason :)

Chicago. It's a very casual thing.

Guy 1: "Hey, what's the deal with (some situation)?"

Guy 2:: *exhales* "ionno, dude."

It's a little less formal than "I dunno," which is used almost every time in place of "I dunno."
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12 March 2010 at 6:10pm | IP Logged

Arekkusu wrote:

IronFist wrote:

With Japanese, I hear a new word and I instantly know how to say it and how to write it (not Kanji, obviously, but hiragana). I know how to write it. I know how to say it.

If I may, Japanese also has pitch accent, which is not indicated in the writing and which most foreigners are unaware of.

Then again, English also has stress which we don't write.

True, but if someone says "ha-SHI" or "HA-shi" I still know how to write it in hiragana :)

(doesn't one of those mean "chopsticks" and the other one means something else? I forget...)
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12 March 2010 at 6:13pm | IP Logged

Arekkusu wrote:

Actually, in context, I'm guessing the intonation pattern of "I don't know" is enough to be understood, even if you didn't utter a single sound.

That's what I meant in my first post by "you can just say 'mmmmm' in the correct tone sequence" or whatever I said. "Intonation" was the word I was looking for.

Except sometimes it's more like a nasally "Uhhh" sound.

Low-high-middle

or sometimes

Low-high-low

SINGING PHRASES!!! OMG English IS BECOMING PIRAHA!!!

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