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| chirel Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5313 days ago 125 posts - 159 votes  Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: French | Message 9 of 13 02 June 2010 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I just found many pages full of stuff about the word order in my grammar (and I'm still sure they didn't teach me
this at school). I'll be back later with info, but maybe not today as my son has chicken-pox, and it's quite bad now. @Tyr I just learned the terminology myself when I went to university. But I try to remember, that others might not know what these words mean, hence the explanations. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Danac Diglot Senior Member Denmark Joined 5351 days ago 162 posts - 257 votes Speaks: Danish*, English Studies: German, Serbo-Croatian, French, Russian, Esperanto | Message 10 of 13 02 June 2010 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think you said the right thing when you said you need to learn the terms used about language. It's good to know what subject, object, adverb etc. is, or it can at least make everything a bit clearer. By the way, your examples seem correct to me. Jag drickar öl eftersom det smakar bra.(word order was right there.) I framtiden ska jag bo på en båt. (correct here too as well.) By the way, modal verbs (ska, måste, vill etc.) always make the other verb an infinitive, so it's ska bo, vill bo, måste bo, and not ska bor, vill bor or måste bor. The thing with the adverbs and the shift of word order is only in main clauses. Also, I don't think questions have been mentioned, but that's like English, so maybe it isn't a problem? Hvorfor sagde jeg ikke noget om spørgsmål? (Danish here, sorry :) ) (Why didn't I say anything about questions?) Maybe it would be good to know eactly what a main clause is and what a subordinate clause is. It depends on the conjunction. Main clauses have either no conjunction, or it has a series of conjunctions for main clauses: Och/samt (and), eller (or), men (but), utan (but), fast (but), för (for), så (so), som (as, not the relative pronoun), plus (and, as well as). Any other conjunction would be for a subordinate clause. (if, when etc.) I hope it helps! 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6912 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 13 02 June 2010 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
"Jag dricker öl." Main clause. It's complete in itself. The second element is a verb. "eftersom" is of somewhat secondary importance, although it connects clause A with B ("Det smakar gott(den smakar gott/den är god)." - in which case the verb is still the second element!) [Jag dricker öl] (eftersom) [det smakar gott]. The verb is the second element in both clauses. Period.
"I framtiden ska jag bo på en båt" has the right word order, yes. Never ever write bor after ska/måste/vill/kan/etc. You don't conjugate a verb after shall/will/have to/must/ought to in English, you don't do it in Swedish, not in German... not in Spanish and in no other language I have set my eyes on. Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 02 June 2010 at 4:17pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5785 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 12 of 13 03 June 2010 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Aha, hope I can remember this, sort of making sense to me.
Thanks. I wonder why I remember being told eftersom changes things, seems like its quite normal. Edited by Tyr on 03 June 2010 at 5:52pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6912 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 13 03 June 2010 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The thing you have to focus on in subordinate clauses (where 'eftersom' might be first word) is not word order but rather where to put "inte". Maybe that's what you're thinking of?
If I change the meaning to the opposite (you don't drink beer, because you don't think it tastes good...) it becomes like this: Jag dricker inte öl eftersom det inte smakar gott. Jag dricker. vs. Jag dricker inte. - positive statement and negative statement, nothing strange here Jag dricker inte öl. - I've only added 'öl' 'eftersom' introduces subordinate clauses, and when you want to add 'inte' it must be place before the first (really the finite) verb, thus: ...eftersom det inte smakar gott. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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