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Volte
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 Message 17 of 20
26 June 2008 at 7:15pm | IP Logged 
Talairan wrote:
I use "whom" regularly both in writing and speaking, and find the construction "to who" to be very strange. I guess I must be archaic *sigh*.


Perhaps you come from a region where English speakers use 'whom' more often - or perhaps you've adopted it as you've become proficient in other languages. "To who" is indeed strange, and I'm not familiar with people using it, though I'd be surprised if absolutely no one does. Alternative ways of expressing the meaning were given by Cainntear.

Cainntear wrote:

I wouldn't say "to who did you give it?" or "the man to who I gave it" -- I'd say "who did you give it to?" and "the man I gave it to".


Edit: A google search shows about 13 million hits for "to who" and 39 million for "to whom". I seem to have overstated the rareness of 'whom'. That said, I think it may be noteworthy that the top hits for 'to whom' are newspapers and academic sites, while the top hits for 'to who' tend to be blogs and sites by people who seem to be native English speakers but don't write professionally.


Edited by Volte on 26 June 2008 at 7:40pm

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TheElvenLord
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 Message 18 of 20
27 June 2008 at 5:20am | IP Logged 
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Yes, whom really is that archaic. It tends to be used in writing by pedants, and by people who speak English non-natively and were taught that it is correct


Whom is archaic, but very much in use. I, unlike all others I know, use whom regularly, when it sounds right.

To whom is correct, although some may write To who. For example:

To whom it may concern
not
To who it may concern

TEL
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J-Learner
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 Message 19 of 20
27 June 2008 at 5:42am | IP Logged 
Interesting digressing everyone.

I speak Australian English...no, not like Croc Dundee nor Stever Irwin (R.I.P.)

My grandmother says whom. I do not think I have ever heard someone my age say it. Not even my parents who are in their mid fourties.

Back to Hebrew, this is what I would like to know: which words are common and which are certainly a bit outdated but get used often enough to be important. My aim is to have intelligent conversation on a range of topics with necessary grammatical distinctions at my fingertips (or tonguetip).

For someone who is only first studying English grammar now for the first time (started today), I do not know much about this area of language. I was barely taught much of this at school - we went through a grammar drought.

But I will continue with my studies as they are and when I am proficient enough I might just come back to the FSI Hebrew course.

Hmmmmm...interesting...might/may......another pair I do not know the distinction between in many contexts.

We might just leave that one alone for now!
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MichaelM204351
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 Message 20 of 20
29 December 2009 at 7:59am | IP Logged 
I used the FSI Hebrew Basic Course along with an Israeli tutor. My tutor thought the book was great. There was some outdated material. For example, in the book, "airplane" is "aviron" (sorry, I don't have a Hebrew keyboard with me). However, today they use the word "Matos." The book has stuff like that in it, but nothing too major. I'm sure you'll learn the differences just through using the language in everyday life.


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