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| burgler09 Diglot Groupie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6047 days ago 72 posts - 88 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 1 of 4 06 December 2009 at 9:44pm | IP Logged |
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One thing I've really noticed about this site is the high importance everybody puts on programs. People are in search of "the best program" but in my opinion programs are over rated. Sure they are a nice supplement, but it really seems to me like people are relying on these programs and a lot of people think that by using this program they are going to speak the language. I understand there are also a lot of talented people on this board, but I think it needs to be put more out there, the importance of learning how to form your own sentences, the importance of being able to listen in a free conversation and follow along and forming your own opinons on the run, it makes a huge difference. I would take a 5 dollar grammar book and a penpal or native friend over a 400 dollar language learning software. Just my 2 cents ;) hope this helps someone
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| Paskwc Pentaglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5676 days ago 450 posts - 624 votes Speaks: Hindi, Urdu*, Arabic (Levantine), French, English Studies: Persian, Spanish | Message 2 of 4 06 December 2009 at 10:48pm | IP Logged |
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I'm not so sure. As far as I know, nobody here really says that any program will make you fluent. What many people do say, though, is that some programs will give a solid base to build on. Even then, some of the more popular programs here are fairly cheap (Assimil @ 30$, FSI & DLI @ 0$).
Plus, most people here do buy onto the need to use various techniques such as 1000 sentences, word lists, scriptorium, shadowing (as well as finding people to talk to). Edited by Paskwc on 06 December 2009 at 10:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Luai_lashire Diglot Senior Member United States luai-lashire.deviant Joined 5827 days ago 384 posts - 560 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto Studies: Japanese, French | Message 3 of 4 07 December 2009 at 4:59pm | IP Logged |
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I think programs can be very helpful for people who don't have a learning style that allows them to do well with
your "grammar book and penpal" method. For some people, sure, reading through that book will be all they need to start talking to and learning from a native speaker, but a lot of people will just get confused. There are many different styles of learning so it is impossible to say any one method is "the best" because what works for you may not for someone else. Personally, I took classes in Japanese for two years and that was a great base for me to work from (I had a FANTASTIC teacher). I do self-study now, and I use a grammar book, an SRS, and some online lessons as my current method. I've tried Rosetta Stone, Pimsleur, and LiveMocha and they were terrible for me. "Let's Learn Japanese!", however, is great. It's just a matter of personal taste. Also I have to second Paskwc, I've never seen anyone here claim that X program will give you fluency, only that X program combined with other methods can help you pass the beginner level. Almost everyone here seems to feel that to get to an advanced level you absolutely need to read tons of native material and/or talk to a lot of native speakers. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5584 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French | Message 4 of 4 07 December 2009 at 5:34pm | IP Logged |
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I should make a language program that brings you to a basic fluency.
It would be 1000 pages lol and a year long :P 1 person has voted this message useful |
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