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| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6437 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 25 of 45 15 February 2010 at 10:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Just chiming in as an American who has never used cursive (English) since we learned it in 3rd grade.
Strange that Russians seem to use exclusively cursive. We only used it when teachers required it, which was barely ever, and now I probably haven't used it in the last 20 years ever. When I write anything in English, it's in manuscript. I do remember, though, some kids at different elementary schools learned D'nealian, which was like a cursive/manuscript hybrid. Acutally, just for fun, I'm gonna go see if I even remember the cursive alphabet. brb! back - I remember most of it. I got a little iffy on some of the lowercase letters like R and V and Z. Good thing I never need to use it. lol. Edited by IronFist on 15 February 2010 at 10:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| dantalian Diglot Senior Member Bouvet Island Joined 5682 days ago 125 posts - 156 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 26 of 45 15 February 2010 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It is simply much faster for most people to write in cursive because it is taught at schools. And believe me Russians don't place much importance on that issue. The whole topic seems highly exaggerated in this thread. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| OlafP Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5435 days ago 261 posts - 667 votes Speaks: German*, French, English | Message 27 of 45 15 February 2010 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I never heard this either but made it up in a moment of literary epiphany. May it be an idiom henceforth. It's free of copyright. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Korstilon Newbie United States Joined 5430 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Azerbaijani, Russian | Message 28 of 45 15 February 2010 at 10:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I know that this a little off from the general flow of the conversation, but I thought this site might help someone attempting to learn Russian cursive: http://www.brown.edu/Departments/LRC/RU_writing/index.htm
(Also, first post from a long time reader) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6034 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 29 of 45 15 February 2010 at 10:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This reminds me of the SarcMark. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| OlafP Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5435 days ago 261 posts - 667 votes Speaks: German*, French, English | Message 30 of 45 15 February 2010 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't care whether it's necessary or not, but I found it the best way to learn vocabulary and correct spelling. I always finish a chapter in a language course by writing the text manually listening to the recording and comparing it to the book after each sentence. On a keyboard all characters feel more or less the same. When written by hand, every character feels different. I'm just more aware of every soft sign, a vs. unstressed o and similar things when writing manually. edit: typo Edited by OlafP on 16 February 2010 at 1:32am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| OlafP Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5435 days ago 261 posts - 667 votes Speaks: German*, French, English | Message 31 of 45 15 February 2010 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It was not meant sarcastically. I just find it funny that something I wrote without giving it a lot of thought could pass for an idiom. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cherepaha Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6589 days ago 126 posts - 175 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Polish, Latin, French | Message 32 of 45 18 February 2010 at 11:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That is a good point! Some terminology confusion can easily come about here. Generally "to write in cursive" is "писать письменными буквами", while "to write in block letters" is "писать печатными буквами". Growing up in Russia I remember that learning how to write in cursive was equivalent to going through the right of passage of sorts. As a first grader you wanted to finally start writing like adults do, and once you'd learned that, you would never write in block letters again – that's a sign of someone from kindergarten, i.e. under the age of 6y.o. Granted, as we got to the upper grades in school no one was requiring that you write in any particular style any more, so for stylistic purposed or the ease of reading we started to write some individual letters as block/printed letters in the stream of otherwise cursive text. Say, I frequently write letters "я", "ы" and "к" by printing them, for the ease of reading. You'll also see that many people put a horizontal line underneath letter "ш" and one above the cursive letter "т", as otherwise in the rapid script writing they may be hard to interpret. These horizontal lines are not taught in any regular cursive writing instruction, but are rather a stylistic element acquired later on as one's handwriting matures. The ability to read other people's handwriting did not come right away, it took a number of years and maturing in our handwriting, but then it all of a sudden clicked, and I always found it a fun challenge to see if I could read the handwriting others had given up on. The style of cursive that was taught in schools differed from decade to decade a bit, so once you were familiar enough with those differences, you could not only decipher rapid script handwriting, but you could also roughly guess the age of the person who wrote it, i.e. your grandmother's generation, or your parents' generation, or, finally, your own. Since I came to the States, I found that people would stumble at my cursive writing in English, so I had to (for the ease of understanding) switch to printing each letter individually. So, for the learners of Russian, no one is going to care if you write in block letters. People just expect to see cursive, unless it was written by a small child. So all your printed letters are going to cause is a slight pause, while the reader is searching for an explanation as to why you are exhibiting such an unusual behavior. In the end they'll probably read your handwriting with more ease. 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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