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| microsnout TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member Canada microsnout.wordpress Joined 5474 days ago 277 posts - 553 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 17 of 33 10 March 2010 at 7:40am | IP Logged | ||
I just posted this link in two other threads including "Popularité croissante du québécois" but here it is again: (grâce à 'Tokyo University of Foreign Studies' ) TUFS Click on 'EN' and you will find 40 short videos (en québécois) with transcripts and 4 different ways to view them. You can selectively enable transcripts in French or Japanese and also vocabulary notes. This site has similar videos in 16 other languages as I mentioned in the thread 'Tokyo University of Foreign Studies' There is also http://learncanadianfrench.com but this site has not been updated in a long time. Hope this helps Edited by microsnout on 10 March 2010 at 7:54am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| The Blaz Senior Member Canada theblazblog.blogspotRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5603 days ago 120 posts - 176 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Swahili, French, Sign Language, Esperanto | Message 18 of 33 10 March 2010 at 9:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks microsnout, I saw that. And now I won't be surprised to hear people speaking
French with a Quebecois accent in Tokyo... Also, I love the technology being used on that site. I'm going to work my way through those lessons and some other sources then start getting a hold of some Quebecois films. I have an uncle and cousin who speak Quebecois French, hopefully I'll have a chance to chat with them this summer. Edited by The Blaz on 10 March 2010 at 9:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Masked Avenger Triglot Senior Member Antarctica Joined 6137 days ago 145 posts - 151 votes Speaks: English, French*, Danish Studies: Finnish, Latin | Message 19 of 33 10 March 2010 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are some misconceptions in this thread. Quebec French is not taught in Quebec schools, standard French is. But Quebec French is spoken by most in Quebec in everyday life and is showcased more and more on TV. So a foreigner learning Quebec French needs to learn standard French while being aware of the particularities of Quebec French.
With all of that said, Quebecers understand French speakers in Europe better than Quebecers are understood by their European cousins. Quebecers will sometimes shift to a more neutral French when dealing with Europeans, facilitating conversations. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5384 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 20 of 33 10 March 2010 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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I had a look at "Le québécois de poche". It left me with a sense of disappointment. For
one thing, I didn't find an explanation of spoken grammar as I thought would have been needed. Secondly, it was full of expressions I'd never heard before. I mean, expressions I don't use would have been fine, but that I've never heard? What's the use of that? I felt like it was just a window into Québec folklore to give foreigners a taste of the difference they will find in Québec. Yes, there are regional expressions I might not have heard, but there is distinction made between that and the words you will find everywhere. Take the show C.A. for instance, which you will find here (http://www.tou.tv/ca/S04E10). You can listen to 5 minutes and find plenty of grammatical differences that would be worth explaining. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| The Blaz Senior Member Canada theblazblog.blogspotRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5603 days ago 120 posts - 176 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Swahili, French, Sign Language, Esperanto | Message 21 of 33 10 March 2010 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | ||
I found this short summary of some grammatical differences here. It is on a site containing a Quebecois dictionary with English and French translations: Joual Vert 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| microsnout TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member Canada microsnout.wordpress Joined 5474 days ago 277 posts - 553 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 22 of 33 10 March 2010 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | ||
I have not seen the book but that is somehow not surprising for a published guide from ASSIMIL - not that I have anything against them it just seems like thats what it would end up as "a taste of folklore". For anyone interested (The Blaz?) I have a 200 page pdf document of content that was deleted last year from the blog learncanadianfrench.com. Just pm me an email address to send it to. The file is organized into the sections: adjectives, expressions, grammar, listening, nouns, pronunciation, songs, swearing and verbs. Entries are tagged either Neutral, Informal or Very Informal. Here is a portion of two entries in the grammar section: (both of these entries are about a page long, thus more complete than shown here) A common way to ask WHAT questions in Canadian French Maybe you've already learned to ask "what" questions in French using qu'est-ce que. For example: Qu'est- ce que tu fais? Qu'est-ce que tu manges? Qu'est-ce que tu vois? (What are you doing? What are you eating? What do you see?) All of these forms are perfectly acceptable in Canadian French. But there's another very common way of asking these "what" questions in colloquial speech: Que c'est que tu fais? What are you doing? ... Using EN in the imperative in colloquial Canadian French If you've been studying French for a while, then you've probably learned how to use en in imperative sentences: donne-m'en (give me some), donne-m'en deux (give me two), etc. Those examples sound really formal in Canadian French, at least when speaking. You'll usually only come across something like donne-m'en in writing. So how might you hear donne-m'en or donne-m'en deux in informal speech? Donne-moi-z-en. INFORMAL + VERY INFORMAL Give me some/gimme some. Edited by microsnout on 10 March 2010 at 6:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5384 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 23 of 33 10 March 2010 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | ||
I'd take that table with a grain of salt. Looks like it was done quickly and most are just sweeping comments. For instance, gender doesn't just change at the whim of the speaker, that's a major over-generalisation, and -tu interrogative is definitely possible with vous (eg."vous faites-tu ça souvent?"). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5384 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 24 of 33 10 March 2010 at 5:38pm | IP Logged | ||
Accurate description. A complete table with all persons would be useful too. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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