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kyssäkaali Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5556 days ago 203 posts - 376 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish
| Message 9 of 17 11 March 2010 at 3:15am | IP Logged |
Just popping in to say the title of this thread is adorable. n_n I actually glanced over it and knew instantly it was on a pun on some language and was trying to think in my head what it could be, and came up only with Føroyar, lol.
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5559 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 10 of 17 11 March 2010 at 12:01pm | IP Logged |
Here's a sample of Frisian poetry from 1846, originally taken from the Gutenburg Project.
And something a bit more contemporary, a collection of free modern Frisian songs from the main official website, if you ever wondered what Frisian music sounds like:
Van Wieren - cover of "One" by U2 (1)
Van Wieren (2)
AtMit
Pilatus Pas
Katterpillaar (1)
Katterpillaar (2)
Sephyros
Waldfame
Ljoubjr
Well...I'm all "url linked out" now...and still quite clueless about the text or what they're really singing about. However the songs seemed cool and I hope you like them, and I do notice that my knowledge of German is far more useful than English for picking out the odd word here and there.. :)
Edited by Teango on 11 March 2010 at 12:15pm
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6706 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 11 of 17 11 March 2010 at 3:07pm | IP Logged |
I have seen the Doutzen Kroes video and the deal with the brown cow, and I can more or less follow the conversations even without looking at the subtitles. But I do it through my Dutch (which is just at the basic level), not through my English.
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| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6125 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian
| Message 12 of 17 11 March 2010 at 10:21pm | IP Logged |
ruskivyetr wrote:
Even so I think we should start a small group of West Frisian language learners. I can check Amazon.de for books(I already checked the English speaking sites a few weeks ago, there's nothing :P ). Who would be interested in learning even a bit? |
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If you speak Dutch, it takes very little effort to get the hang of Frisian. However, going beyond that just doesn't make much sense from a cost/benefit standpoint--unless you are planning to live in Friesland. And I certainly wouldn't learn Frisian until you learn Dutch.
If you really want to learn it, check out the Afûk Foundation which is dedicated promoting the Frisian language:
http://www.afuk.nl/ferfolch/nl-menuorganisaasje.html
Also, there is a Frisian Bible here:
http://www.holyhome.nl/Fryske%20Bibel_Wumkes_1943.pdf
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| tracker465 Senior Member United States Joined 5355 days ago 355 posts - 496 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 13 of 17 08 April 2010 at 8:27pm | IP Logged |
I have been obsessive about learning this language since about 2007, though things have, unfortunately, never taken off properly. If I found a few people who also wanted to give this a go, then I might try to take it back up, but until then, I just have not found enough resources to make it easy as a self-study. To complicate matters further, I have heard that the dialects are all basically mutually-unintelligible, so this is just one more negative factor for trying to learn the language. Another problem is finding good resources for this interesting language. As someone else had mentioned, most of the books due tend to be in Dutch or German, though if one knows even one of these two languages, I think that the similarities would be enough that one could, albeit with a slight bit more difficulty, still learn Frisian using resources in either language.
One book in English I have is as follows: Phonology and Grammar of Modern West Frisian, by P. Sipma. Of course when this book says “modern,” it means 1913-modern.
On another note, how difficult is the Frisian pronunciation? I can never seem to find any good audio guides for word pronunciation, though a Dutchman had once told me that for a fairly decent guide to pronouncing Frisian, one should pronounce it like he or she would Dutch, as he claimed that the phonemes were pretty equivalent. Not sure how true this is though.
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5850 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 14 of 17 08 April 2010 at 8:59pm | IP Logged |
tracker465 wrote:
On another note, how difficult is the Frisian pronunciation? I can never seem to find any good audio guides for word pronunciation, though a Dutchman had once told me that for a fairly decent guide to pronouncing Frisian, one should pronounce it like he or she would Dutch, as he claimed that the phonemes were pretty equivalent. Not sure how true this is though. |
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www.sprachwelt.de
lists up resources in many, many rare languages.
Have a look at the Frisian resources, there are two resources listed:
http://www.sprachwelt.de/h/h0fry/index.htm
Kind regards,
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 08 April 2010 at 9:00pm
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| Vinlander Groupie Canada Joined 5824 days ago 62 posts - 69 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French
| Message 15 of 17 09 April 2010 at 5:03pm | IP Logged |
I find Frysk very weird to listen I know a little German, so listening to the language is like hearing a miss mash of English and German.
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| DaisyMaisy Senior Member United States Joined 5383 days ago 115 posts - 178 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish Studies: Swedish, Finnish
| Message 16 of 17 13 April 2010 at 6:09am | IP Logged |
Very interesting thread! I don't think I've ever heard spoken Frisian before and I thought it sounded neat. Does anyone know whether some of the very English words like "castings" and "fittings" are Frisian or actually loan words from English? (I'm referring to the Doutzen link)
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