chelovek Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6077 days ago 413 posts - 461 votes 5 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian
| Message 17 of 27 12 October 2008 at 12:05am | IP Logged |
I'm going to use this article:
http://www.radio.cz/ru/statja/109176
I just listened to it several times while reading it and looked up words I didn't know. There are around 30-40 new words total in there, so...this will be interesting. I'll start with the first paragraph, write it out large on a sheet of paper, and give it a shot.
I'll let you know how it goes.
EDIT: I just did the first paragraph. Cutting it up and reorganizing definitely helps memorization. I can recite it now...some parts come faster than others, but it's definitely in my memory. The question now is how much is this going to help me, and how much text do you need to memorize before you see serious results.
I suspect that having memorized context as well as new words is going to be a big help, because if you think about it, most words constantly reappear in similar, predictable contexts.
I'm going to put this method to the test. As of now, when I listen to news reports (TV or radio), I understand nothing save for a few scattered words I recognize. My comprehension of non-news-related media is better, but I feel embarassed when I can hardly understand a thing on the news. I'll memorize 3 articles (let's say roughly 2000 words combined) and note if/how much my comprehension has improved. I'll do 3 more and record my percieved improvement again.
If we can get some type of estimate of how much needs to be memorized in order to reach a certain level of comprehension...that'd be amazingly helpful for learners of any language.
Edited by chelovek on 12 October 2008 at 1:05am
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William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6262 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 18 of 27 12 October 2008 at 5:46am | IP Logged |
The individual words, phrases, sentence parts, and after a bit of memorisation work, full paragraphs, stay in the mind better than with other study methods I have used. No study method is completely useless, and I like to mix and match methods for some learning variety, but I feel this method is the best yet for me.
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slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6665 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 19 of 27 14 October 2008 at 5:34pm | IP Logged |
Maybe you can use this method and then you can write every sentence in a SRS software.
If it works well and you use selected texts with different grammar structure, it can be very useful because you will remember this texts forever.
Edited by slucido on 14 October 2008 at 5:35pm
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William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6262 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 20 of 27 19 November 2009 at 11:48am | IP Logged |
I think I'll bump this thread up, as it might be a useful method for language learners to try out.
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Jack Reed Newbie United States Joined 5530 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese
| Message 21 of 27 19 November 2009 at 1:40pm | IP Logged |
I believe Benjamin Franklin used a similar method to assimilate the abilities of authors and speakers he respected. You can read about it in his autobiography.
If I recall, he took a text and wrote down the high-level main points and mixed them up. Some time later he would re-arrange the main points in the order he thought best and try to reproduce the text word-for-word from them.
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Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6884 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map
| Message 22 of 27 19 November 2009 at 10:22pm | IP Logged |
I have done something similar to this techinque: I mixed a pack of vocabulary flashcards and picked a dozen or so out at random and then tried to compose sentences using those words.
Your technique sounds like it might be effective though. I think I'll have a go at it at some point.
Edited by Hencke on 19 November 2009 at 10:24pm
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Paskwc Pentaglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5667 days ago 450 posts - 624 votes Speaks: Hindi, Urdu*, Arabic (Levantine), French, English Studies: Persian, Spanish
| Message 23 of 27 20 November 2009 at 12:23am | IP Logged |
Livemocha has similar exercises but for single sentences.
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/186
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Edited by Paskwc on 20 November 2009 at 12:28am
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davidbailey Newbie Brazil EXLsite.com Joined 5602 days ago 8 posts - 10 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 24 of 27 30 November 2009 at 5:13pm | IP Logged |
Great tips. Thanks for sharing. I liked Hencke's flashcard variation as well. ;)
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