mspen1018 Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5332 days ago 36 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English, German, Sign Language Studies: Persian, Spanish
| Message 17 of 35 21 April 2010 at 8:05am | IP Logged |
I like German Grammar because it is like English with 2,000 rules, it is better than English in it's depth and meaning
and most American college students think it is really hard when it is the same as English except rather than going
in an order to emphasize what a sentence means, it conjugates verbs and has cases that correlate with the Gender
of the nouns to emphasize what it means. I tutor the German students because if they can get the grammar part of
the German Language and understand that much, they will learn a lot about English grammar.
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Aquila123 Tetraglot Senior Member Norway mydeltapi.com Joined 5307 days ago 201 posts - 262 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Italian, Spanish Studies: Finnish, Russian
| Message 18 of 35 17 May 2010 at 6:59pm | IP Logged |
I would vote for Italian. It is much more complex grammatically than most people realize with really intricate predicate cotsructions, and it is very different from Germanic languages also sematically, even that it is an European language.
Finnish and Hungarian are also funny languages
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Wise owl chick Senior Member Ecuador Joined 5319 days ago 122 posts - 137 votes Studies: English
| Message 19 of 35 17 May 2010 at 10:07pm | IP Logged |
Aquila123 wrote:
I would vote for Italian. It is much more complex grammatically than most people realize with really intricate predicate cotsructions, and it is very different from Germanic languages also sematically, even that it is an European language. |
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Different from Germanic languages, but not very different from Romance languages like French or Spanish, and those are European also.
Aquila123 wrote:
Finnish and Hungarian are also funny languages |
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I agree, but they're great I think :)
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John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6043 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German
| Message 20 of 35 27 May 2010 at 5:17pm | IP Logged |
I love love love love Modern Greek!!!!
The infinitive doesn't exist. Boris na to kanis = you can (na) you do it. Boro na to kano = I can (na) I do it.
The word order is exotic.
I adelfi mou = the sister my.
The dative has been replaced by the genetive (not 100% sure about this one, any Greek speakers out there?)
There is no such thing as a language with an exotic grammar though. An exotic language is just a language that is completely different to your native language. What you find exotic depends on what you think is normal. What you think is normal might not be as "normal" as you think.
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chirel Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5311 days ago 125 posts - 159 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: French
| Message 21 of 35 27 May 2010 at 5:59pm | IP Logged |
To me Russian seemed crazy when I first started to learn it. What's the need for different grammatical categories
for nousn if you don't have articles to make it easier to recognize them? And the verbal system is just amaising! I
loved how it had some similarities to Finnish system but it was still complitely different. A real challenge!
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ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6143 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian
| Message 22 of 35 28 May 2010 at 2:22am | IP Logged |
John Smith wrote:
I love love love love Modern Greek!!!!
The infinitive doesn't exist. Boris na to kanis = you can (na) you do it. Boro na to kano = I can (na) I do it.
The word order is exotic.
I adelfi mou = the sister my.
The dative has been replaced by the genetive (not 100% sure about this one, any Greek speakers out there?)
There is no such thing as a language with an exotic grammar though. An exotic language is just a language that is completely different to your native language. What you find exotic depends on what you think is normal. What you think is normal might not be as "normal" as you think. |
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Yay, someone likes Greek. :D
In cases like where English or Romance languages would use the infinitive form, Greek uses να [na] plus the conjugated subjunctive form:
Θέλω να παίξω. = I want to play. (παίξω [pexo], subjunctive of παίζω [pezo])
Πρέπει να γράψεις κάτι. = You have to write something. (γράψεις [ghrapsis], subjunctive of γράφεις [ghrafis])
I don't believe the dative has been replaced by the genitive, but rather that it and the accusative just merged together to make the "objective."
There are only the four cases now: nominative, genitive, accusative, and vocative:
MASCULINE
ο φίλος // οι φίλοι
του φίλου // των φίλων
το φίλο // τους φίλους
φίλε // φίλοι
FEMININE
η γυναίκα // οι γυναίκες
της γυναίκας // των γυναίκων
τη γυναίκα // τις γυναίκες
γυναίκα // γυναίκες
NEUTER
το βιβλίο // τα βιβλία
του βιβλίου // των βιβλίων
το βιβλίο // τα βιβλία
βιβλίο // βιβλία
Edited by ellasevia on 28 May 2010 at 2:27am
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Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6769 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 23 of 35 28 May 2010 at 2:51am | IP Logged |
What's amazing is that even though you can group languages into different categories by genealogy and
similarities, every language seems to have something unique about it no other language shares... an unusual
grammatical concept, an unusual phoneme, words that have no equivalent in other languages, etc.
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Ubik Senior Member United States ubykh.wordpress.com/ Joined 5317 days ago 147 posts - 176 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Latin, Arabic (Egyptian), German, Spanish
| Message 24 of 35 28 June 2010 at 2:48am | IP Logged |
ellasevia wrote:
I think Swahili grammar is extremely interesting with its noun
classes and the effects they have on other words in the sentence. It's like agreement
to the extreme! A noun that is the subject of the sentence will affect numbers,
adjectives, verbs, prepositions, possessives, etc. These agreements often make the
beginnings of words sound alike so it gives the language a natural alliteration!
For example:
Watoto wakubwa wawili wangu wako wapi?
Children big two my indefinite location where?
"Where are my two big children?"
I'm not sure if that's exactly correct but it gives the general idea of it.
It also has an interesting verbal system:
kusema = to speak
ninasema = I speak
unasema = you speak
anasema = he/she speaks
tunasema = we speak
mnasema = you (pl) speak
wanasema = they speak
nilisema = I spoke
ulisema = you spoke
alisema = he/she spoke
tulisema = we spoke
mlisema = you (pl) spoke
walisema = they spoke
nitasema = I will speak
utasema = you will speak
atasema = he/she will speak
tutasema = we will speak
mtasema = you (pl) will speak
watasema = they will speak
And then you have negatives...
sisemi = I don't speak
husemi = you don't speak
hasemi = he/she doesn't speak
hatusemi = we don't speak
hamsemi = you (pl) don't speak
hawasemi = they don't speak
...and so on....
Apparently it also can incorporate the objects of the verbs into the verb form there as
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I agree! I had never seen an example of Swahili before and now that I see that Im VERY
intrigued and I now want to look into it more. Thank you for posting it!
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