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| tmp011007 Diglot Senior Member Congo Joined 6074 days ago 199 posts - 346 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, Portuguese | Message 17 of 29 20 March 2012 at 1:23am | IP Logged | ||
45 mins?.. well, just the making of those anki decks would take a lot of time; more than 45 mins I'm afraid (unfortunately, I've been doing that for quite a long time) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| gwyner Pentaglot Newbie United States Joined 5955 days ago 23 posts - 75 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchC1, GermanC1, ItalianB1, Russian Studies: Hungarian | Message 18 of 29 20 March 2012 at 7:22am | IP Logged | ||
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sillygoose: Just internet resources and a vocabulary book.
tmp: Yeah, the 45 minutes is daily reviews; I talk about the amount of time spent on making decks on page 2. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch | Message 19 of 29 28 March 2012 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I do not know exactly what C1, A1, and so on mean. And when you would explane it to me - I am about sure I will not be able to tell you my level in any language.
About the method one thing I disagree with is your trust on the corrections you get from lang8 or any other sources on the internet. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Lucky Charms Diglot Senior Member Japan lapacifica.net Joined 6954 days ago 752 posts - 1711 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: German, Spanish | Message 20 of 29 29 March 2012 at 5:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you for describing your study routine. This is actually pretty similar to what I
do, and you've motivated me to apply it more consistently so that I can hopefully see the same kind of results. Here is what I do differently: 1. I don't use a word list because I like to have all my words in context, even if there is an image (which I also use on my Anki cards at every chance). So I find my words using a program like Assimil or SpanishPod. (These are nice because I also have the recordings so I can hear the content of my cards over and over on my iPod throughout the day... this makes future Anki reviews a piece of cake). If I think of a word I want to learn but haven't encountered it in one of my programs yet, I'll look it up on Google for an easy-to-understand example sentence. So all my cards have cloze deleted example sentences, monolingual definitions on the front, and images where possible. 2. I've focused more on watching movies/TV shows and SRSing the scripts (and again, listening to the audio on my iPod throughout the day), whereas you seem to focus more on writing. I think this is a good change that I plan to incorporate into my studies, because while cloze deleted cards offer some limited production practice, I've found that getting corrections at lang-8 and cloze-deleting the corrected parts in Anki has been a lot more helpful in terms of learning vocab and constructions that are important to me. I guess that paradoxically, my perfectionism has gotten in the way of submitting compositions more often, but I can see how writing practice would help with spoken output. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Mae Trilingual Octoglot Pro Member Germany Joined 4996 days ago 299 posts - 499 votes Speaks: German*, SpanishC2*, Swiss-German*, FrenchC2, EnglishC2, ItalianB2, Dutch, Portuguese Studies: Russian, Swedish Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 29 02 April 2012 at 10:59am | IP Logged | ||
The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) classifies learners into different levels: A: Basic User (A1 = Breakthrough/beginner; A2 = Waystage/elementary) B: Independent User (B1 = Threshold/intermediate; B2 = Vantage/upper intermediate) C: Proficient User (C1 = Effective Operational Proficiency/advanced; C2 = Mastery/proficiency) The CEFR also describes what you should be able to do at each level (in reading, listening, speaking, writing). For more info have a look here: CEFR 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5022 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch | Message 22 of 29 02 April 2012 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you for the link.
What level am I if I am able to read such a nonsense text ? Following this classification - if I understand well - if you understand 100 % of what you hear and read but are not able to write or to speak you are at point zero. To understand 100% of audio or written inputs put you a lot far than half way I think. Edited by Michel1020 on 02 April 2012 at 6:06pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 23 of 29 02 April 2012 at 8:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, you won't pass a C2 exam if you understand everything but can't say anything. This doesn't mean you're at point zero though, it's always best to list the specific skills and levels. I think apart from those at A1 and C2, most language learners don't have an exactly the same level in all skills.
A reverse situation is also possible, if someone has a relatively small vocabulary for their level and uses it efficiently. This person might speak/write well but not understand everything that native speakers with a more sophisticated vocabulary say. However if anyone claims a difference of more than one level I wonder if they're overestimating the better skill. A2 active/A1 passive, C2 active/C1 passive and to a lesser extent (imo) B2 active/B1 passive are possible, but B2 active/A2 passive? Doubt it. For similar reasons, I don't really think it's possible to literally be at C2 passive/below A1 active. Someone may think they understand everything but they may actually not. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| t1234 Diglot Newbie South Africa Joined 4143 days ago 38 posts - 83 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans Studies: Turkish, Polish | Message 24 of 29 06 August 2014 at 4:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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His book has been published. A basic description of his method is in the 1st post and as an article on lifehacker.
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