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| ProfesorRich Diglot Newbie Spain profesorrich.com Joined 4525 days ago 10 posts - 11 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 1 of 41 21 October 2012 at 11:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've learnt fluent Spanish in two years from not knowing a word through self-study so
obviously I know a little on the subject my self. However I'm not asking how to learn conjugations, I want to know how to quickly internalise them... I am currently learning German and I'd like to get the "noun conjugation" ingrained successfully right from the word go. What's a good what to do this? How do you quickly train the feeling of "guy recognition" that Die, Das or Der should be used with a certain noun, for example? Is there a good method and internal strategy for this? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 2 of 41 22 October 2012 at 12:18am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, gender is not predictable (verb conjugation is). You're just going to have to
memorise gender of the nouns that are not directly obvious: -chen is always das, -keit, - ung are always die, etc. PS: Nouns are declined, not conjugated Edited by tarvos on 22 October 2012 at 12:19am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| viedums Hexaglot Senior Member Thailand Joined 4667 days ago 327 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Latvian, English*, German, Mandarin, Thai, French Studies: Vietnamese | Message 3 of 41 22 October 2012 at 2:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Gender is an arbitrary category as Tarvos has noted. You may find that Spanish interferes here, because certain nouns will take a different gender in German (bridge, for example.) Having the third gender can also be annoying for people who are used to just two.
A couple of pointers for German: First, note that the most complicated declension is the masculine. For feminine, there are only two possibilities (basically –e and –er), and the neuter endings are identical to masculine in the oblique cases, genitive and dative. (Oblique is a useful term meaning cases peripheral to the basic subject – object relationship. In fact you can organize the feminine endings according to the oblique/non-oblique distinction too.) Masculine being more complicated, it’s likely to cause you the most trouble speaking, when you have to form the endings on the fly. So, when you are learning nouns, have two mental ‘boxes,’ the ‘easy box’ for feminine and neuter nouns, and the ‘hard box’ for masculine nouns. Drill the use of masculine endings more, but vary the gender during such drills so that the contrast between genders sticks as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| billclewis2 Newbie United States Joined 5762 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Studies: German | Message 4 of 41 22 October 2012 at 2:45am | IP Logged | ||
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Der...deer, daring person, loved ones
Die...death related, skeletons, dying colors Das...marvelous looking bottoms, toddlers muddling about, talking bass Use anything that is similar to help visualize the person, place or thing in association. A "dear" dog you had in your childhood...a deer describing how dogs are so slow... die brucke...a bridge falling down causing many deaths or bridge collapsing onto a barge filled with dyes which discolor the river water. das madchen...a fish talking to a girl or bass dressed in a girls dress. Anything to visualize your chosen word that associates to the gender. As in die Rinne, the groove, found on a crossbow...people laid out in a groove (burial site). May be silly, but a talking deer is both amusing and unusual enough to spur the association. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 5 of 41 22 October 2012 at 2:56am | IP Logged | ||
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You can use such mnemonics when a specific word's gender won't stick, but for every word?
I can't imagine that would actually help. Personally, I would try to use the words and decline them accordingly in a few sentences. I think you are more likely to remember the word, its gender and how it's used in a sentence if you try to use it in a meaningful context. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 6 of 41 22 October 2012 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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I find it easier to learn the words in accusative phrases.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 7 of 41 22 October 2012 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | ||
Such as "You stole my book"? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 8 of 41 23 October 2012 at 1:27am | IP Logged | ||
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Or just "to steal a book".
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