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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 9 of 15 11 May 2014 at 11:48am | IP Logged |
It's about talking to yourself :)
How much listening have you done and how easily do you understand other people?
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| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4393 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German
| Message 10 of 15 11 May 2014 at 12:16pm | IP Logged |
thanks for the link , I have done roughly 600 hours of listening . I can understand quite easily radio
programms about politics and popular science , of course I miss some words here and there ,but overall I
really cannot complain . I have used German with people seldomly , I had pretty much no problems
understanding people and communicate although I was not so reactive and expressive as I could be in
english , let alone some grammar mistakes , but I guess English is a way safer ground as I read
someplace in a post .
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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6555 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 11 of 15 13 May 2014 at 7:22am | IP Logged |
albysky wrote:
Do you think there is any connection between these two skills ? I am especially curious to know if
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There are connections between all skills, so amongst other things, reading aloud can improve your ability to speak.
Of course, the best thing to improve your ability to converse is to converse often with native speakers.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 12 of 15 13 May 2014 at 4:34pm | IP Logged |
Actually it was me who mentioned the "safe ground". I was mostly speaking about grammar - most Western Europeans can just learn very little, stick to simple structures, and make very few mistakes in English. Russian or Mandarin native speakers can't do that :-)
So if you lack automacity in grammar or don't get enough exposure, you need to address these issues too.
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| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4393 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German
| Message 13 of 15 14 May 2014 at 7:12pm | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
So if you lack automacity in grammar or don't get enough exposure, you need to address these issues too.
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Well , I have been told that I am quite correct ,but the fact that in German you have semi-arbitrary genders
and other little things enhances drammatically the chance of making mistakes . English due to its
stracture is easier to handle grammarwise .
Edited by albysky on 14 May 2014 at 7:14pm
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 14 of 15 14 May 2014 at 7:56pm | IP Logged |
It's not only about whether you can avoid mistakes. It's about whether it's stressful for you to do that, whether you need to think of the grammar consciously.
While in some way English is objectively easier than German, exposure is crucial too.
Edited by Serpent on 14 May 2014 at 7:58pm
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| Darya0Khoshki Triglot Groupie United States Joined 5073 days ago 71 posts - 91 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Arabic (Iraqi) Studies: Persian
| Message 15 of 15 21 May 2014 at 9:52pm | IP Logged |
Self-talk and reading out loud are both helpful. The advantage of reading out loud is
that you learn to speak things CORRECTLY verses talking to yourself -- you may be making
mistakes when you come up with it on your own.
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