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| neofight78 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4795 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 1 of 5 24 July 2014 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||
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I am trying to get to grips with Russian participles. I've read the explanations in the text books, and understand it ok from a
theory point of view. But I'm having difficulty getting a feel for them, in order that I can form them and use them without too much effort. Typically the textbooks don't contain many examples. Also I've noticed that the stress can change once a verb is made into a participle. What are people's recommendations on how to get to grips with participles? Should I just learn them as new words and forget that they are formed from a verb? Are there any good sources of examples / material on this subject? What study techniques are the most appropriate? In terms of my own personal studying preferences, I enjoy flashcards and listening to audio the most. What are people's suggestions? Thanks in advance... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arnaud25 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 3841 days ago 129 posts - 235 votes  Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 2 of 5 25 July 2014 at 10:21am | IP Logged | ||
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I have the same problem.
I learn some of them by heart because they are very frequent (like открытый/закрытый) or because they are not participles in french: for exemple стоячий (standing/debout). In french "debout" is not a participle. In the newspapers or litterature, the participles are used frequently, it's impossible to memorize them all, and better to deduce their meaning from the verbs. But I can't use them when I write, their formation is too complicated for me, at the moment (especially the passive past participle, that have several forms) Unfortunately, in the grammar books that I have, the exercices on that subject are rather rare, and it's difficult to train systematically on that subject. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| neofight78 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4795 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 3 of 5 25 July 2014 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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I guess if you memorise enough of the most common ones, then eventually transforming from the verb to the
participle could become natural. But as you say there's not much useful material to help with that, especially as most books treat participles as being advanced material. They may be an "advanced" topic but they are certainly not obscure and being able to read the news in Russian is one of things I am keen to be able to do. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arnaud25 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 3841 days ago 129 posts - 235 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 4 of 5 29 July 2014 at 5:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think these 2 books could be useful to master the participles:
- "Le russe à votre rythme 3: Le verbe", in which there is a chapter on participles (about 50 pages of simple exercices and explanations). There are 77 exercices, about half of them are corrected only on the audio. - The book "чистая грамматика" in which 15 pages of exercices are dedicated to participles (some are marked as "advanced" and all of them are not corrected). The explanations are reduced to the minimum in the form of tables. Edited by Arnaud25 on 29 July 2014 at 5:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5055 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 5 of 5 30 July 2014 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | ||
Стоячий is an adjective in modern Russian, стоящий is a participle however. You can speak good Russian without participles, that's why they are an advanced material. That's a bit like The Past Simple in French, which is widely used in the written language but is almost never heard. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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