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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7210 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 17 of 25 01 August 2014 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | ||
E pluribus unum. E pluribus funk. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 18 of 25 02 August 2014 at 12:21am | IP Logged | ||
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Sou de um clube lutador Edited by Serpent on 02 August 2014 at 12:23am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5241 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 19 of 25 02 August 2014 at 12:59am | IP Logged | ||
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Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur.
Sorry... how is all this latin relevant? :D 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| robarb Nonaglot Senior Member United States languagenpluson Joined 5064 days ago 361 posts - 921 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, French Studies: Mandarin, Danish, Russian, Norwegian, Cantonese, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Greek, Latin, Nepali, Modern Hebrew | Message 20 of 25 02 August 2014 at 1:36am | IP Logged | ||
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SRS can be effective, but I don't use it.
When learning a language related to ones I know, it's easy enough to learn tens of words per day of active studying just from context. A lot of cognates will stick after just one encounter, and I end up with a decent vocabulary of the basic words, plus a few thousand cognates. The rare non-cognates will fill in eventually with years of input. On the other hand, when learning a language unrelated to ones I know, it would seem to be useful to memorize a few thousand basic words. However, in such languages (e.g. Mandarin, my first Asian language) the usage is so different that memorizing words out of context is not very useful (搲 means "to crawl, climb, scoop up" but when do I use that?) Instead, I feel like I need to see the word 5+ times in context to really figure it out. In both cases, more input is the answer, although cloze deletion flash cards would be better than single-word cards. If what you need is repetition of vocabulary for it to stick, then you could just re-read the same texts from previous study sessions. But of course we know that eminent polyglots use all different kinds of learning methods. If you need a low- intensity way of studying 10-20 minutes, you feel memory for vocabulary is limiting your progress, and you don't find it too boring, then knock yourself out! I would guess that people who thrive with meaningful input (like Steve Kaufmann) or immersion will generally benefit less from SRS, while those who like systematic study might get more from it. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4052 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 21 of 25 04 August 2014 at 6:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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Guys,
I'm reading more and more comments about SRS flashcards. But one specifically impressed me. It's in Luca Lampariello "How to start a language from scratch" and its follow-up "How to build a language core" that you can find on Youtube. Luca says that we need to build "the network". I leave you with his videos for the meaning of this sentence. It's much better than trying to explain it myself. He says also that learning words in isolation is not very effective, because - it doesn't explain where to use it - it doesn't explain how to use it - it doesn't take care of shades of meaning For example, the words "still", "yet" and "again" are translated with a single word in Italian ("ancora"). A flashcard simply doesn't say how to use it, if containing the word in isolation. An idea can be to insert entire sentences where I don't understand one or two words in my flashcards. I guess can be an interesting activity to do. Maybe just 5 sentences per day. Edited by tristano on 04 August 2014 at 6:10pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5435 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 22 of 25 05 August 2014 at 6:15am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm a great fan of plain paper flashcards because I can make annotations on them. I like being able to take a stack of
them to bed and reviewing some great phrases for the next day. Or maybe I'll lay a few out in front of me when I'm working with my tutor over Skype. But they are just one tool among many. I've had Anki on the desktop for a while but always thought that the learning curve didn't justify the vague results. Moreover, anybody who has read my posts knows that I'm not a fan of learning many words. I'm definitely not impressed by how big an Anki deck one has. However, as a result of a running verbal battle in another thread over methods of "cheating" in language learning I've warmed somewhat to AnkI since everyone seemed to be talking about it. I am now making a point of using it daily. The jury is still out on how effective it is for me, but I'm willing to give it a try. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4372 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 23 of 25 05 August 2014 at 11:02am | IP Logged | ||
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Anki, Learning with Texts and good literature are my holy trinity. I can't tell you how much my understanding (as well as my active command!) of French improved thanks to constant use of Anki in the past three to four years. The possibility to create cloze deletion cards from (preferably well written) texts is the perfect way for me to memorize all kinds of words and expressions.
You won't learn a language just by working off Anki decks, but it serves well as a "backup", especially if you're not immersed in the language all the time. Only 100 Anki cards a day will force you to actively recall 100 different facts you've already encountered. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| grunts67 Diglot Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5307 days ago 215 posts - 252 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 24 of 25 05 August 2014 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | ||
I agree. I really thrive on meaningful input and I find the results of Anki not good enough for the time I invest in it. I don't say that SRS isn't working or people should not use it but as a learner, I read the actuality on lingq (it could be learn with text). In that sense, I review the same words every days. It's a kind of unoptimized SRS. On the other hand, SRS could be really beneficial to learn cases tables and verbs that one was difficulty with. I think that sometime you do need brute force. Like some people have already stated, Anki is a tool and it should be use with other materials. For those still at school or university, I tried Anki for a university exam were we needed to learn a lot of facts. I had the best note by far without a lot of effort. So, it works well in that area :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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