JamesBates Bilingual Triglot Newbie Pakistan Joined 6189 days ago 27 posts - 28 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Arabic (Written) Studies: Persian, German
| Message 10 of 19 29 May 2008 at 8:55am | IP Logged |
Actually, my experience is that almost all Arabs understand MSA.
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Makrasiroutioun Quadrilingual Heptaglot Senior Member Canada infowars.com Joined 6105 days ago 210 posts - 236 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Armenian*, Romanian*, Latin, German, Italian Studies: Dutch, Swedish, Turkish, Japanese, Russian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 11 of 19 29 May 2008 at 10:49am | IP Logged |
If you're going to work into politics, diplomacy, or academia in Arab countries, rest assured that they will all thoroughly understand MSA.
Negotiating in a marketplace, however, is a very different matter...
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kumori Newbie United States Joined 6826 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Studies: Mandarin
| Message 12 of 19 29 May 2008 at 10:55am | IP Logged |
Just curious, what would be your ideal MSA study plan? what materials would you recommend for learning MSA?
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JamesBates Bilingual Triglot Newbie Pakistan Joined 6189 days ago 27 posts - 28 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Arabic (Written) Studies: Persian, German
| Message 14 of 19 29 May 2008 at 2:23pm | IP Logged |
mandy_surfer18 wrote:
JamesBates wrote:
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Communication is a two-way street. I might understand how newscasters speak in the US, but if I speak to a
foreigner in a heavy Deep South accent then they won't understand me and we can't have a conversation if they
aren't familiar with that dialect.
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Like I said, if you plan on communicating with less-educated Arabs then you will certainly need to be able to understand their particular dialect, for they will not be able to reciprocate when spoken to in MSA. However, under no circumstances will you need to be able to speak their or, for that matter, any dialect.
Let me also stress that there is little point in learning a dialect sitting at home unless you know exactly what city you plan on visiting. For example, let's say you learn the dialect spoken in Beirut. How would that help you understand less-educated Arabs in Baghdad or Jidda? True, they will probably be able to understand what you say, but they would understand you even better if you spoke the language they were educated in.
Arabs know their language is difficult and not very popular. My experience is that Arabs are very appreciative of the efforts of foreigners and will not make the unreasonable demand that they learn the dialect they happen to speak in addition to MSA.
Edited by JamesBates on 29 May 2008 at 2:26pm
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JamesBates Bilingual Triglot Newbie Pakistan Joined 6189 days ago 27 posts - 28 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Arabic (Written) Studies: Persian, German
| Message 16 of 19 29 May 2008 at 9:02pm | IP Logged |
mandy_surfer18 wrote:
I agree with some of what you said in your first two paragraphs. The fact that they are appreciative is irrelevant.
You still won't be able to understand the average person in the streets. Ergo, you won't be able to speak with
them (i.e. carry on a conversation). My Deep South hypo stands.
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The person in the street will either be able to reciprocate when spoken to in MSA or he won't. In the latter case you will need to be able to understand his dialect. In neither case will you need to be able to speak it. Do you agree?
By the way, what in my first two paragraphs did you not agree with?
Edited by JamesBates on 29 May 2008 at 9:03pm
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