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| Rekunoto Senior Member United States Joined 6167 days ago 104 posts - 105 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 1 of 26 13 July 2008 at 1:48am | IP Logged | |||||
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Although I have already started using the method at All Japanese All The Time dot com, I thought it would be beneficial to have a log of my progress. I will give an outline of the AJATT method below for those of you who don't know.
1. Learn the meaning and writings of 2042 kanji via James Heisig's book, "Remembering the Kanji" 2. Learn 10,000 grammatically correct Japanese sentences 3. While doing 1 and 2, constantly listen to Japanese I am currently on #1. As of today I know 1700 kanji, and I am learning at a rate of 50 per day. Through the use of an SRS (Anki to be exact) I am retaining all of the Kanji I learn for as long as I continue reviewing. I will be finished with "Remembering the Kanji" in 7 days. Then I will start inserting bilingual Japanese-English sentences into my SRS. Most of the sentences will come from the AJATT website and Tae Kim's grammar guide. In Heisig's book, he recommends studying from Keyword to Kanji, so that's what I do. I have also found itextremely useful to cut and copy Japanese Wikipedia articles into the "Reading" section of the Reviewing the Kanji website. So, basically, I am going from keyword to kanji (which helps production) in my SRS, and from kanji to keyword (which helps recognition). As I said above, I add 50 cards per day, and through the above two review methods, I review around 150 kanji everyday. That's all for today. Please leave any feedback you may have. EDIT (Added June 16th) I didn't really make my present knowledge of Japanese clear in any of my posts, so I thought I would just tell you hear. I have listened to around 300 hours of Japanese, so I know around 1000 vocabulary. The only thing is, I don't know how to string this vocabulary together into sentences, so I don't consider it to be so great. I also know the meaning and writing of 1810 kanji. As of today, I consider myself somewhere in between the "beginner" and "intermediate" levels. Edited by Rekunoto on 16 July 2008 at 3:02am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Emerald Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom languagedabbler.blog Joined 6237 days ago 316 posts - 340 votes Speaks: Hindi, Gujarati*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 2 of 26 13 July 2008 at 6:38am | IP Logged | |||||
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First of all good luck, and continue your studies.
Second - I don't know about this method. Are you actually suppose to remember 10000 sentences, or just learn them - which I guess is bound to help you in learning more about grammer and structure? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Rekunoto Senior Member United States Joined 6167 days ago 104 posts - 105 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 3 of 26 13 July 2008 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | |||||
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No, you don't memorize sentences, you just learn them. After learning a sentence, you put it into an SRS for long term review. For more info on this method, check out the following sites.
Antimoon: Learn English through Input AJATT: Antimoon reloaded for Chinese/Japanese Edited by Rekunoto on 14 July 2008 at 12:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Rekunoto Senior Member United States Joined 6167 days ago 104 posts - 105 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 4 of 26 13 July 2008 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I am going to start logging, even though I haven't finished up Japanese for the day. Basically, anyone who has read my previous logbooks knows that Chinese is the next language on my radar after Japanese.
Many people have said it is not a very good idea to work on two languages at once, and I agree with the majority in this case. Therefore, I won't start learning Mandarin until I achieve basic fluency in Japanese. Here is my outline for basic fluency for Japanese(Note:This is my personal scale, so please don't be offended if you have a different view on basic fluency). Kanji: 2042 Sentences: 10,000 Hours of Input: 5,000 Here is where I am now... Kanji: 1710 Sentences: 0 Hours of Input: ~300 I am giving myself 24 months, around 730 days, for basic fluency, meaning I will have do around 15 sentences a day (I will probably do way more) and listen to or read Japanese for 6-7 hours a day (sleeping hours count for listening, although I obviously want tons of waking hours). 24 months is not a strict dead line, just a date marking where I would like to be by then. On all of my future logs, I will post one of below graphs, to log how much I did that day. This is my graph for today. Kanji: 50 Sentences: 0 Hours of Input: 7 Today, I experienced something pretty odd. After finishing kanji up, I felt mentally exhausted. Not bored...just exhausted. I guess my brain is having to process quite a lot of information :) Edited by Rekunoto on 14 July 2008 at 12:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Rekunoto Senior Member United States Joined 6167 days ago 104 posts - 105 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 5 of 26 15 July 2008 at 1:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, a bit of good news to start my daily log out. First of all, I found out a way to relieve the mental exhaustion I suffered in my last post. Yesterday, while working on Kanji, I tried to go through them quickly. The first paragraph of this article over at AJATT elaborates on why I wanted to finish. I didn't rush, I just didn't waste a second of time. Today, I went a lot slower on kanji, relaxing and having fun, and the end came before I knew it (Even though it took an hour longer than usual). Below is my log for the day.
Kanji: 50 Sentences: 0 Hours of Input: 4 Bringing me to a total of... Kanji: 1810 Sentences: 0 Hours of Input: 311 My "Hours of Input" is not as high as I would like it to be. Since I am not working on sentences yet, it is hard to keep a Japanese environment without being able to actively take sentences from that environment. This is no excuse however. Tomorrow my goal is to get 8 hours of Japanese input. I think I am also going to work on my pronunciation with some audio books Sheetz posted in his log (Thanks Sheetz if you ever read this!) On a side note, I was playing ゼルダの伝説,ムジュラの仮面 (The Legend of Zelda, Majora's Mask) today and I was surprised at how much I could read even without knowing the kanji readings. I only played for thirty minutes, but I plan on using it more tomorrow to rack up some input hours. Kanji Update: I only have 232 kanji left, meaning 5 days! I can't wait until I burst through that "kanji wall". Edited by Rekunoto on 15 July 2008 at 1:22am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| seerma Bilingual Diglot Newbie China Joined 5968 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, Cantonese* Studies: English | Message 6 of 26 15 July 2008 at 4:08am | IP Logged | |||||
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Good Luck!
I think you should pay more attention to basic characters ... Edited by seerma on 15 July 2008 at 4:08am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Roichan Diglot Newbie Norway Joined 5975 days ago 10 posts - 11 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Norwegian | Message 7 of 26 15 July 2008 at 5:41am | IP Logged | |||||
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hey, man! good job on plugging away at heisig. i finished book 1 a few months ago and it feels great! so keep it up! i woulda thought i would never want to learn another kanji again, but it turns out it became such a part of my day i bought book three and went through that too. i don't wanna throw you off track but if you ever feel the need to go through book three and learn another 1000 characters, you'll fly through it. there are only like 5 or so new primitives introduced and then you're just learning new kanji using old primitives. it took me almost a year to do the first 2000 kanji (book 1) and about 4 weeks to do the last one thousand (book 3)!
as you've already noticed, just knowing the meaning and writing of the kanji is a GREAT help. i can't wait to bust through the "other kanji wall" when i learn all the readings. i've followed the ajatt method somewhat. it's a great site with great advice. 頑張って, brother! we're fightin' on the same front ;-) ーロイちゃん 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Rekunoto Senior Member United States Joined 6167 days ago 104 posts - 105 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 8 of 26 15 July 2008 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks for the support! It's nice to see someone else has finished Heisig! Seeing peoples success stories is a big help. By the way Roichan, do you think the last 1000 characters are really essential? If so I will probably learn them too (not right after RTK1...it will be awhile before I can do more kanji!). Oh by the way, if you don't mind be being nosy, where in Japan do you/did you live?
I am a bit confused...Remembering the Kanji covers all of the basic characters and about 100 more. Can you please clarify? Edited by Rekunoto on 15 July 2008 at 12:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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