Shinn Trilingual Tetraglot Groupie India gallery.takingitglob Joined 6412 days ago 61 posts - 69 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Oriya*, SpanishB2 Studies: FrenchB1, Japanese, Irish
| Message 17 of 25 23 November 2008 at 4:09am | IP Logged |
Thank God; reading that statement about the difference in dialects almost made me reconsider learning Irish on my own. There seem to be as many myths about the Irish language as there are in the Irish language.
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6909 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 18 of 25 23 November 2008 at 6:10am | IP Logged |
Perhaps I'm simplifying a bit, but aren't differences present in just every language? Words, pronunciation, grammar...
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Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6439 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 19 of 25 23 November 2008 at 6:50am | IP Logged |
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Perhaps I'm simplifying a bit, but aren't differences present in just every language? Words, pronunciation, grammar... |
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Yes, but how significant they are varies hugely. Given that distinctions between languages and dialects aren't made on purely linguistic grounds, some 'dialects' (ie, modern Arabic as spoken in various regions) are significantly farther apart than some 'languages' (BCS, perhaps Swedish/Danish/Norwegian).
English seems to me to vary more between regions than Spanish or Russian does, and less than Arabic. Dutch varies a lot more than Polish: I have trouble understanding anything whenever I hear a Dutch speaker from a region I haven't had much exposure to.
There's a huge difference between 'differences' in pronunciation in the sort found between a little village in England and the little village right next to it, vs the difference between Danish/Swedish pronunciation, vs Cantonese/Mandarin, vs Russian/Thai (to name increasingly different pairs). The same goes for vocabulary and grammar.
I do think it's worth knowing which of the above situations you're heading into.
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TheElvenLord Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6080 days ago 915 posts - 927 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Cornish, English* Studies: Spanish, French, German Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin
| Message 20 of 25 23 November 2008 at 11:22am | IP Logged |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nyXgtuis0
The above (remember to remove spaces from it) is a link to the first of a series of youtube videos which I remember finding a few years back. It's a filming of Irish lessons given in San Diego. The series seems pretty complete. The above like is to Begginning Irish - Lesson 1 - Part 1 . To find the rest, click on the guys username in the grey box to the right.
Hope this helps you.
TEL
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6011 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 21 of 25 23 November 2008 at 1:05pm | IP Logged |
The differences between Irish dialects is probably better compared to the difference between Yorkshire and the American Deep South. Significant differences in phraseology and accent, but it's just a matter of getting used to them.
"Standard Irish" was proposed as a "happy medium" for communication across dialects, but it makes much more sense just to get used to hearing each other speak.
The differences in dialects in Scottish Gaelic are distinctly less, but at the conversation group I attend, there are enough real geeks that every now and then we go off on a tangent using obscure regional forms of certain words. (Well we enjoy it anyway.)
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shane.dun Newbie Ireland Joined 5812 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Irish
| Message 22 of 25 26 December 2008 at 2:05pm | IP Logged |
Shinn wrote:
a. It should have a transcript in Gaelic
b. It should be preferably in either the Munster dialect or Standard Irish
c. It should be free
I don't mind if there's a transcript in English; I just want to get a good idea of the pronunciation and cadences of speech. I don't particularly mind if it isn't too literary either, it could be on repairing bathroom sinks as long as it's in Irish.
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These are some songs. The text is down the right hand side of the page, you may need to click 'more info'.
These may or may not be of help, as they are songs. But it would be worth taking a look at least. Hope it can help. Beware one thing though, some of the spelling may be wrong, fadas missing etc. Not my fault, blame whoever uploaded them!! :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Oee29f36XI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHqieEXyJdk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luvlMA__jyw
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Shinn Trilingual Tetraglot Groupie India gallery.takingitglob Joined 6412 days ago 61 posts - 69 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Oriya*, SpanishB2 Studies: FrenchB1, Japanese, Irish
| Message 23 of 25 11 January 2009 at 7:17am | IP Logged |
Go rabh maith agat, shane.dun; every little bit helps :)
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Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5556 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 24 of 25 24 March 2010 at 10:11am | IP Logged |
Shinn wrote:
I want to get back to learning Irish Gaelic, and while I've got some fairly good resources for learning the grammar, it's spoken Irish that's torturing me. I want to use shadowing techniques but I'm finding it difficult to find free full length audiobooks or even short stories in Irish. Does anyone know of any audio that I could download? My only requirements are that:
a. It should have a transcript in Gaelic
b. It should be preferably in either the Munster dialect or Standard Irish
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Audio and transcripts galore - I've already put these in a recent post labelled free Irish audio. I'd also thoroughly recommend this audiobook on 4 CDs: "Niall Tóíbín ag léamh Gearrscéalta le Seán Mac Mathúna" published by Cois Life and available from Litriocht.
shane.dun wrote:
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A cracking song from the Coronas, I've got this on the Ceol '08 album. For more good songs in Gaeilge, here's a link to a previous post I put up a little while back on modern Irish music, just in case you missed it along the way.
Edited by Teango on 24 March 2010 at 10:12am
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