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| dkoleary Bilingual Diglot Newbie Australia Joined 5562 days ago 10 posts - 9 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese* Studies: Korean, Indonesian, German | Message 1 of 12 02 September 2009 at 5:12am | IP Logged |
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I have been searching for language resources (for Indonesian) and found that there are "Teach yourself Indonesian"
books and "Teach yourself Indonesian: Complete course" books available. Are there any differences between these? The prices seem to be a little different. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Lingua Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5575 days ago 186 posts - 319 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch | Message 2 of 12 02 September 2009 at 7:15am | IP Logged |
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I think the Complete course might mean that the CD's are included.
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| drfeelgood17 Bilingual Hexaglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6448 days ago 98 posts - 117 votes Speaks: English*, Tagalog*, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Japanese, Latin, Arabic (Written) | Message 3 of 12 02 September 2009 at 3:38pm | IP Logged |
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Yes, I think "complete" usually just means the CDs are included in the box set, as opposed to the book on its own. I
don't think the courses are different at all. Having said that, TYS has a "beginners" range (Teach Yourself Beginners' Spanish etc) and they are definitely different. There is also an "improve your" (Improve Your Italian etc..) series for a limited number of languages that's aimed at more advanced learners. Again, they are not the same as the standard TYS courses. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 4 of 12 02 September 2009 at 5:26pm | IP Logged |
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Confusingly enough, while the online bookshops use "Teach Yourself ...: complete course" to mean the book + CD bundle (presumably Hodder's catalogue uses the term), but I've seen bundled packages of the book, CDs and an additional Teach Yourself ... Grammar book in bookshops, and I think they're selling them under the name "Teach Yourself ... Complete" (so without a colon and without the word "course"). I've never seen these available online*...
(* I'm guessing they've done their homework on this -- I can imagine going into a shop and saying "ah, for a fiver more I can get this", but on a website you can't pick up and compare the books, so it's more likely to confuse and result in lost sales.) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7014 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 12 03 September 2009 at 12:16am | IP Logged |
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Perhaps the Teach Yourself site might help.
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| fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 7145 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto | Message 6 of 12 03 September 2009 at 6:35am | IP Logged |
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The cheapest way to buy the Teach Yourself courses in Australia is to order from amazon.com. I have a number of Teach Yourself courses, including Indonesian. The Indonesian course is quite good. It was written by a fellow who was on this forum for a while.
The Colloquial course is quite good but is more expensive. I was fortunate to get some second hand courses quite cheap. I bought the Teach Yourself Indonesian book from bookcloseouts.com for around $6. I don't think they have it any more. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| dkoleary Bilingual Diglot Newbie Australia Joined 5562 days ago 10 posts - 9 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese* Studies: Korean, Indonesian, German | Message 7 of 12 03 September 2009 at 2:57pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks a lot for that.
Do you prefer Colloquial or Teach youself for Indonesian, disregarding the price as a factor? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Chris Heptaglot Senior Member Japan Joined 7120 days ago 287 posts - 452 votes Speaks: English*, Russian, Indonesian, French, Malay, Japanese, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Korean, Mongolian | Message 8 of 12 28 September 2009 at 9:38am | IP Logged |
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'The Indonesian course is quite good. It was written by a fellow who was on this forum for a while.'
Er, that would be me. Although I do have to give equal credit to my co-author, Eva Nyimas, without whom the book would not have been as good as I feel it is. The ethos behind each series is different. Colloquial is more geared towards students who have a language background, or who understand grammar already and who work well with a more academic approach. The Teach Yourself course is designed for complete beginners, who might not have any previous knowledge of language learnng. That isn't to say it's not useful for seasoned language learners, it's just that the approach we have taken tends towards simplicity and rapid acquiring of what the visitor to Indonesia needs to communicate effectively, but still with accuracy. Colloquial's book is good too, although it does take a different approach. I feel that they have taken the grammar and matched the dialogues to the grammar, whereas we took the situation, created a natural conversation, and worked the grammar in around that, as a premise. I think it works very well. What I recommend is that you start out with Teach Yourself Indonesian (with recordings - a must) and after a few units, start on Colloquial Indonesian, while still studying TY through to the end. Colloquial will take you a little further, linguistically, but TY will give you faster access to language you can use conversationally. TY also contains a brief introduction to Jakarta slang in the last unit. I am hoping to extend that on a website at some point, and also add some follow-on materials for students of TY Indonesian in the near future. Finally, I also recommend a grammar/workbook that is only available in Australia it seems, by OUP Australia. It was produced for secondary schools, but it's really good in the way it explains things. It's called 'A Student's Guide To Indonesian Grammar' by Dwi Noverini Djenar. Hope this helps. Selamat belajar! 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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