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Sprachprofi
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 Message 25 of 33
10 March 2010 at 8:59pm | IP Logged 
arkady wrote:
I thought Wenn is used as 'if' and Wann was used as 'when'?

But I see your point anyway. So lets say we get rid of Wenn.

Would this be right?

Ich habe heute das Essen gekocht.

I have cooked the meal?

Yes it's right.

wenn = if OR when   (starting a subclause)

wann = when? (starting a question only)

If you want to be unambiguous, use "falls" for "if".
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 Message 26 of 33
10 March 2010 at 9:08pm | IP Logged 
Vielen Dank!

Edited by arkady on 10 March 2010 at 9:09pm

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Hand check of who wants to live in Germany! *raises hand* :D

BERLIN HERE I COME!
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 Message 28 of 33
11 March 2010 at 8:06am | IP Logged 
datsunking1 wrote:
Hand check of who wants to live in Germany! *raises hand* :D

BERLIN HERE I COME!

You're moving soon?

It's crazy, I know so many people from around the world who are moving to Berlin within
the next few months. I'll soon post a guide to getting settled here on my blog
www.learnlangs.com/blog .

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 Message 29 of 33
11 March 2010 at 5:28pm | IP Logged 
Sprachprofi wrote:
datsunking1 wrote:
Hand check of who wants to live in Germany! *raises hand* :D

BERLIN HERE I COME!

You're moving soon?

It's crazy, I know so many people from around the world who are moving to Berlin within
the next few months. I'll soon post a guide to getting settled here on my blog
www.learnlangs.com/blog .


I WISH I was moving to Berlin :P I would throw a dictionary in a bag, a change of clothes and whatever valuables I had. I wouldn't even prepare if I had that chance! :D
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Berlin is THE place to be, and I wasn't even born here, I just love it so much. Besides,
where else do you get the chance to live in the center of a major 1st world city for less
than it costs to live in the outskirts of I-never-heard-of-this-place, Eastern Europe?!

I like the international atmosphere, which is quite unusual for Europe, and I like that I
can find original-language movies in the cinemas, bookstores selling nothing but French
or Portuguese books, and the most exotic restaurants, for example Sri Lankan, Sudanese
and Georgian cuisine.

Airfares are quite cheap right now. When you get the chance, just visit for a while, and
I'll be happy to show you around.
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 Message 31 of 33
16 March 2010 at 11:21am | IP Logged 
arkady wrote:
Verbs come 2nd, ok that is pretty simple. :)

What is the situation then, where the verb always comes last? All the basic introduction sentences have the familiar pattern. My best guess is that when there are two verbs, then the 2nd comes last - although there are exceptions to this too I found.

For example:

Would you like to eat today?

Möchten Sie heute zu essen?

So here the verb 'like' comes in first position, which it does in the case of a question, but the verb 'eat' is placed last.

I have been reading mt German course , when there are two verbs, in above case 'like' is a handle and eat is the main verb , rule :whenever u start with a handle like ich mochte, ich will ,ich kann and if there is another verb(like essen,trinken etc) then it always comes at last.
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 Message 32 of 33
16 March 2010 at 8:01pm | IP Logged 
spanishlearner wrote:
arkady wrote:
But tomorrow, I have a lot of work.
becomes:
Aber morgen, habe ich viel arbeit.

Why 'habe ich' instead of 'ich habe'?


In German verbs come in second position. 'Aber morgen' counts as one unit.


This.

I remember the day I learned this in German class. Our teacher wrote on the board:

"Heute ist das Wetter kalt"

I asked "didn't you forget the question mark at the end?" I thought it was asking "today is the weather cold?"

Then he explained German is a "verb second" language.

All of the following are the same:

[Heute] [ist] [das Wetter] [kalt]

[Das Wetter] [ist] [kalt] [heute]

And I believe you could even say:

[kalt] [ist] [das Wetter] [heute]

Those are all STATEMENTS because the verb is in the second position (I grouped the positions into brackets).

Questions put the verb first:

Ist das Wetter kalt heute? = is the weather cold today?
Ist heute das Wetter kalt? = is the weather cold today? (I think you can order the words this way, although it might sound funny)

Once I got that, I was like oh, this all makes sense now.


(I took German 7 years ago. My apologies if anything here is wrong. But the verb going second is right; I remember that :) )

Edited by IronFist on 16 March 2010 at 8:02pm



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