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| nathdep Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4052 days ago 11 posts - 15 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese | Message 1 of 7 08 March 2014 at 10:03pm | IP Logged |
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I know a person that claims he speaks Norwegian but I'm a bit suspicious that he just put the saying into
google translate. Can you check to see if it was? Du har gjort ditt trekk , tungen har trippet ut i avgrunnen av mørket du kaller en munn , og bringer hat og vondt . Du har såret den jeg elsker , du har brakt tårer fra ansiktet hennes , og dette er grunnen til at jeg hyle opp Yggdrasil : ikke mer ! Du vil møte vreden til Tyr som dine urettferdige handlinger er brakt før ham . Lenket til veggene i Helheim ville være din skjebne , men dette er skjebnen til en felles Oathbreaker , jeg ber om at alle Far har sett denne grusomheten , og vil forsee din skjebne som as Thor spikre deg til Yggdrasil det selv som verdens drage brenner kjøtt og ravnene fryder oss over det . kan ditt sanne farger tvinge de rundt deg til å vokse et hat for deg , kan du aldri sove over handlingene du har begått . Kan maten du skyve ned så grådig slå til aske og sot i munnen . kan dine forfedre som ser over deg i skam sende de døde for å minne deg om denne skjebnen , kan du tilbringe resten av ditt sløsing livet vite det hviler på dine skuldre . Som Torden Bjørn Jeg står foran gudene slik at de vet at dette er min kommando , og du kan falle hjelpeløs mot det! Edited by Fasulye on 11 March 2014 at 4:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 DavidStyles Octoglot Pro Member United Kingdom Joined 3949 days ago 82 posts - 179 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, French, Portuguese, Norwegian Studies: Mandarin, Russian, Swedish, Danish, Serbian, Arabic (Egyptian) Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 7 08 March 2014 at 10:51pm | IP Logged |
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A better speaker of Norwegian than I will surely weigh in shortly, but meanwhile and for sport's sake, I'll observe:
Not 100% sure it's GT, but it certainly has mistakes either way. It's interesting that he left "Thor" as "Thor" and "Oathbreaker" as "Oathbreaker", rather than rendering them into Norwegian. Normally it's easy to tell GT renditions of things since GT sucks with word order, but Norwegian word order is often pretty close to English. Suspicious is that plugging this NO into GT returns near-perfect EN, and plugging that EN into GT gives almost this exact NO. That doesn't often happen with human translations, especially with a text this length, so many opportunities to choose different words - even with something with fairly simple language like this. I'm interested to know if the use of "til" here is correct - it seems weird to me, but then, again, I don't know that much NO. Some constructions seem odd, like "dette er grunnen til at..." instead of simply saying "hvorfor". I mean, it's an incantation, not a lawsuit. But then, to each their own. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| DinaAlia Pentaglot Newbie Norway Joined 3940 days ago 24 posts - 49 votes Speaks: Swedish, Danish, Norwegian*, English, French Studies: Greek, Latin, Arabic (Egyptian), German, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Icelandic Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 3 of 7 08 March 2014 at 11:09pm | IP Logged |
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Well, the grammar sucks, so that's indicative of GT; the syntax is just off, so that could be as well. The thing
about spaces on both sides of the commas is typically helpful when asking GT for help. Verdict: this is the work of Google. For the record, we call the thunder god Tor and the other word is edbryter – exactly the same word, in other words. Who is Torden Bjørn, though? Tordenskiold? Is there a character called Thunder Bear that I haven't heard of? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| DavidStyles Octoglot Pro Member United Kingdom Joined 3949 days ago 82 posts - 179 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, French, Portuguese, Norwegian Studies: Mandarin, Russian, Swedish, Danish, Serbian, Arabic (Egyptian) Personal Language Map | Message 4 of 7 08 March 2014 at 11:25pm | IP Logged |
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Alia brought to my attention that they also left "forsee" as English. Why was it left as "forsee"? Because in English it's "foresee", and GT didn't know what they meant by "forsee". Even a human looking up words in a dictionary would find the translation because they'd look for "forsee", find "foresee", and the appropriate translation from there.
Assuming they have a better Norsk dictionary than mine, which, I note sadly, doesn't have "foresee" (but is also really tiny, truly "pocket-size"). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| DinaAlia Pentaglot Newbie Norway Joined 3940 days ago 24 posts - 49 votes Speaks: Swedish, Danish, Norwegian*, English, French Studies: Greek, Latin, Arabic (Egyptian), German, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Icelandic Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 5 of 7 08 March 2014 at 11:46pm | IP Logged |
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Oh, I get it! It's Thunder Bearer!
Yeah, that paragraph certainly was not translated by someone who understands Norwegian. Also, it's Allfar, or Allfader, not "alle Far". That doesn't even make sense as a fragment. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5917 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 6 of 7 09 March 2014 at 12:45am | IP Logged |
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That doesn't sound like it was written by a native Norwegian speaker at all... There are so many things about it that scream "this came from English!", way more than any native speaker would allow to slip past them if they were checking it for mistakes.
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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6711 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 7 of 7 09 March 2014 at 11:53pm | IP Logged |
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KI also think this is a machine translation. DavidStyles' reference to the lacking translation of a falsely spelled word is close to a proof of this - Google translate knows "foresee", but not "forsee".
There are other uses of English patterns like "felles Oathbreaker" - where the missed translation of oathbreaker is accentuated by the translation of "common" to "felles", where something like "simpel" would have been better. And an "oathbreaker" is somebody who breaks an oath - an "edbryter" as indicated by DinaAlia, with 87.000 hits on a simple Google search. But apparently the word hasn't appeared in a bilingual text ("meneder" certainly has, but that's something different, namely a person who lies under oath). Anyway, it is a clear sign that the phrase originally was formulated in English, not in Norwegian. And on top of that the mythological references are somewhat confused. Loke (or Loki in Old Norse) was chained to three rocks in a cave under a snake that constantly dripped venom - but that cave was not in not in Hel(heim). And as far as I know nobody was ever spiked to the world tree Yggdrasil, but Odin hanged himself in it for a while to get wiser. Edited by Iversen on 10 March 2014 at 11:01am 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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