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| Ichiro Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6208 days ago 111 posts - 152 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese, French Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Korean, Malay | Message 9 of 15 24 February 2010 at 6:13am | IP Logged |
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From what you've said, the books below are _exactly_ what you've been looking for - compilations of individual short, idiomatic Chinese expressions with matching audio CD's expressly prepared for shadowing practice. The title of the first book I've listed is "800 short Chinese conversational phrases by the translater training method", the second one is
"500 difficult Chinese phrases for study through shadowing by the translater training method" etc. The disadvantage, of course, is that the books are in Japanese, so you would either need to work through the sentences yourself first or get a Chinese friend to translate them for you. The books are listed under these titles on www.amazon.co.jp - cut and paste there to search. I've included links for the first two in case the Japanese text comes out funny; but I'm afraid I don't know the forum special method for making links clickable. I think you may need to edit out the spaces. 通訳メソッドを応用した中国語短文会話800 通訳メソッドを応用したシャドウイングで学 ぶ中国語難訳語500 通訳メソッドを応用したシャドウイングで学 ぶ中国語文法 通訳メソッドを応用したシャドウイングと速 読で学ぶ中国語通訳会話 通訳メソッドを応用した中国語中級会話700― シャドウイングによる実践的訓練法 http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%80%9A%E8%A8%B3%E3%83%A1%E3%82%BD %E3%83%83%E3%83%89%E3%82%92%E5%BF%9C%E7%94%A8%E3%81%97%E3%81 %9F%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%AA%9E%E7%9F%AD%E6%96%87%E4%BC%9A%E8 %A9%B1800-%E9%95%B7%E8%B0%B7%E5%B7%9D-%E6%AD%A3%E6%99%82/dp/ 4883192962/ref=pd_sim_b_3 http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%80%9A%E8%A8%B3%E3%83%A1%E3%82%BD %E3%83%83%E3%83%89%E3%82%92%E5%BF%9C%E7%94%A8%E3%81%97%E3%81 %9F%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%89%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3 %82%B0%E3%81%A7%E5%AD%A6%E3%81%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%AA%9E %E9%9B%A3%E8%A8%B3%E8%AA%9E500-%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AB%E3%83%81%E 3%83%AA%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%9 6%E3%83%A9%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC-%E9%95%B7%E8%B0%B7%E5%B7%9D-%E6 %AD%A3%E6%99%82/dp/488319387X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid =1266986664&sr=8-3 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Ichiro Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6208 days ago 111 posts - 152 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, French Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Korean, Malay | Message 10 of 15 24 February 2010 at 6:16am | IP Logged |
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Of course, as they contain both Chinese and Japanese versions of the CD's, they also offer excellent Japanese shadowing practice.
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| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5734 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 11 of 15 24 February 2010 at 6:27am | IP Logged |
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Looks pretty good! Thank you :D
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 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6893 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 12 of 15 24 February 2010 at 7:19pm | IP Logged |
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Just in case you hadn't thought of this: As long as you shadow and chorus in front of the computer you don't really need to do any audio editing at all.
You just open up any audio material you happen to like: your favorite podcast, radio clips, language courses or whatever in Audacity, then select chunks of suitable length and put them on repeat. I usually start out by shadowing/chorusing 2-second snippets for as many times as it takes to get them sounding natural (it can often take hundreds of repetitions), then combine two or more of them to longer chunks and so on. To shadow while you are out and about with your .mp3 player you´ll want specially prepared files with suitable-length chunks repeated. I usually prepare these myself, clipping out 20 - 30 second portions of audio and repeating them ten times. Sure, it's a bit of work but not all that much. Once you get the hang of it, it's only of few clicks for each chunk. It probably takes me less time to prepare one of these files than the length of the resulting recording. This efficiency factor feels acceptable to me, considering I am then going to use the finished product about a dozen times or more likely two. Another thing to keep in mind is that shadowing/chorusing is much easier, and you get better results, if the voices on the recording are close to the pitch of your own voice. Maxb wrote about this a few years back in one of his excellent chorusing posts, and I have found it to be true in my own case too. I especially have a hard time shadowing shrill high-pitched female voices, but taking them down four half-steps or so (again, with Audacity) gets them closer to my own voice and I get much better results. In some cases I have also slowed down or speeded up the audio, to get a tempo I was comfortable with. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5734 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 13 of 15 25 February 2010 at 1:42am | IP Logged |
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Henke, this is what I got around to doing. I had the idea that some sentences were better than others, because the voice was especially pleasant, the tone combinations especially tricky, and the sound combinations especially challenging, or something like that. But I guess this doesn't really matter all that much, and looking for 'normal' material doesn't take up all that much time.
Also thank you very much for explanation of your workflow, and especially that last tip! That sounds very useful and I'll definitely try that out! Do you perhaps remember any details about that posts, that would help me find it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6908 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 15 25 February 2010 at 1:59am | IP Logged |
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Method for native like pronunciation
Some more on the chorus method Only listen 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5734 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 15 of 15 25 February 2010 at 2:02am | IP Logged |
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Sweet! Best thanks, Jeff!
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