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| Whisky Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 5944 days ago 63 posts - 64 votes  Speaks: German, French*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 9 of 14 01 March 2010 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
Actually, IME the only place where one may from time to time come across such a style is in the classified ads, e.g. "JH dynamique cherche place vendeur. Parle anglais." - or whatever. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 10 of 14 01 March 2010 at 2:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5452 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 11 of 14 01 March 2010 at 2:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think it happens in ads in every language. You must save space.
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| Makrasiroutioun Quadrilingual Heptaglot Senior Member Canada infowars.com Joined 6105 days ago 210 posts - 236 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Armenian*, Romanian*, Latin, German, Italian Studies: Dutch, Swedish, Turkish, Japanese, Russian, Arabic (Written) | Message 12 of 14 01 March 2010 at 3:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, here is what your textbooks don't tell you - French has clitics, not full pronouns. These supposed "pronouns" are fully dependent upon the verb.
Using very broad IPA: jpaRl tupaRl ipaRl ôpaRl (nasalised o) or nupaRlô vupaRle ipaRl Essentially, the "endings" have disappeared in the past five hundred years and you absolutely need these proclitics to make semantic sense. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| canada38 Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5494 days ago 304 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 13 of 14 01 March 2010 at 7:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think I've caused some confusion. I speak French very well and I perfectly understand
that even though the words are spelt differently, they have the same pronunciation. I know if the pronouns we're dropped it would cause some ambiguity because you don't know who did what action. But what I meant was does this occur anywhere, not does it make sense. I can tell now that it does not occur however; I just wanted to clarify what I was asking. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 14 of 14 02 March 2010 at 8:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'd like to add that in Standard French, and probably European French, a sentence like "je regarde et apprécie le paysage" is perfectly fine.
However, in Québec French, these clitics -- like Makrasiroutioun rightfully mentioned -- have become prefixes to the verb. For instance, I can't say "je r'garde pis apprécie le paysage", because the second verb becomes an imperative. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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