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| Xeno Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5395 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 1 of 9 28 February 2010 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hello,
I am currently studying Chinese (Mandarin). I have found this excellent video for learning Chinese pinyin, which I would like to share. However, I am having a bit of trouble translating the intro to the video, before they start saying the consonants (ie what the small girl is saying). I would be very grateful if anybody could translate this for me. If possible, the Pinyin with tones would be nice, along with the written Chinese translation as well. A break down of how the sentences are put together would also be very welcomed. Many thanks both for your time and effort. Here is the link to the video:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyotAPCQqgY Edited by Xeno on 28 February 2010 at 2:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5734 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 2 of 9 28 February 2010 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm getting this much:
But for the life of me, I can't figure out what she's saying before 音节. And what's that yu4mu3 in there? PS: I just had the glorious idea of looking up "vowel": 韵母 = yun4mu3! Aaah! Okay, let's see what that'll give us..
But I still have no idea about that part in the middle. I suppose it means that we're gonna read some full syllables, so it should be 整体ren4读, but what ren4 is that. Would somebody please enlighten me? :) Edited by Pyx on 28 February 2010 at 3:11pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5734 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 3 of 9 28 February 2010 at 3:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
maybe? Edited by Pyx on 28 February 2010 at 3:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5734 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 4 of 9 28 February 2010 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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After some googling and baidu-ing, it seems that 整体认读音节 is a fixed expression referring to the pinyin syllables "zhi chi shi ri zi ci si yi wu yu ye yue yin yun yuan ying". I don't know though what's special about them, I'd be very thankful if anybody could explain that to me.
So, as I understand it then, the girl says:
which is in pinyin:
In English, that would be
PS: I'm getting sort of sick of answering myself, but I just saw somewhere that the 整体认读音节 syllables are syllables that can't be broken apart into initial and final. That makes sense. Now I just need somebody to to explain to me the word 整体认读音节 itself, and I'll be happy :) Edited by Pyx on 28 February 2010 at 3:53pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5764 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 5 of 9 28 February 2010 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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整体 = totality
认读 = 认 (recognize) + 读 (read out = pronounce) 音节 = syllable of course the syllables to be pronounced in toto 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Xeno Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5395 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 6 of 9 28 February 2010 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thank you very much, both to Pyx for providing an excellent and helpful translation and
to minus273 for clearing up unknown words! all is greatly appreciated, and thanks for your effort Steve (Xeno) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5734 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 7 of 9 01 March 2010 at 12:21am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Aww, come on, minu273's post gets two votes, and mine don't even get one? ;P
Anyways, minus, I still don't get what the 认 does in there. Why isn't it 整体读音节 for example? That's still "the syllables to be pronounced in toto", or isn't it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5764 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 8 of 9 01 March 2010 at 10:54am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Because two-syllable constituents are preferred in compound words. So it's equivalent to say 整体拼读音节, 整体发音音节 etc, but not 整体读音节. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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