LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6634 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes 4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 41 of 103 25 July 2007 at 4:49pm | IP Logged |
furyou_gaijin wrote:
This sounds more like Finnish to me unless I strain my ears to pick out the
words... Kinda proves my earlier point that any attempts to speak this
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Yeah, I heard they use a strong Finnish accent. I think it is possible to speak Latin naturally and neutrally. You just need to use the right courses, and listen to the right audio. Like I heard Assimil's Latin course would be a bad course to use since supposely it uses a very French accent. Ardashchir also complained about that courses intonation.
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tmesis Senior Member Mayotte Joined 6591 days ago 154 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 42 of 103 25 July 2007 at 7:14pm | IP Logged |
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furyou_gaijin Senior Member Japan Joined 6329 days ago 540 posts - 631 votes Speaks: Latin*
| Message 43 of 103 26 July 2007 at 3:42am | IP Logged |
LilleOSC wrote:
I think it is possible to speak Latin naturally and neutrally. |
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And how would that be?! Let's agree that a word like 'latina' has a 'neutral' [a] sound in it. But the [a] sound for a Frenchman is not the same as the [a] sound for a Finn and again different from the [a] sound naturally coming out of a Italian or a German mouth... If there is no NATIVE STANDARD to imitate, every nation always WILL (and does) add their very thick flavour to the sound.
I rest my case. Written Latin? By all means! Spoken Latin? Give me a break...
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JasonChoi Diglot Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6302 days ago 274 posts - 298 votes Speaks: English*, Korean Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese, Latin
| Message 44 of 103 26 July 2007 at 4:26am | IP Logged |
Well, since I'm interesting in Ecclesiastical Latin, I have no problem with the Italian pronunciation. That's my standard :)
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tmesis Senior Member Mayotte Joined 6591 days ago 154 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 45 of 103 26 July 2007 at 4:17pm | IP Logged |
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furyou_gaijin Senior Member Japan Joined 6329 days ago 540 posts - 631 votes Speaks: Latin*
| Message 46 of 103 27 July 2007 at 5:05am | IP Logged |
tmesis wrote:
I'm not sure that we should duct tape children's mouths until we can come to a universal consensus on a standard pronunciation. |
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Hm... I've never thought of it that way but now that you mention it... :-)
Yet with English accents, it's all natural. And Latin speech naturally died.
tmesis wrote:
Despite my tin ears, I seem to be able to make out Latin spoken with Finnish, French, English, and Italian accents. As long as I understand what's being said, I'm not bothered at all. |
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In the end, it's a question of personal taste. When I hear those accents, I am bothered and think: people, shut up or just speak Finnish or French. I'm less bothered with Italian because they have a reasonable claim of heritage....
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LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6634 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes 4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 47 of 103 27 July 2007 at 3:33pm | IP Logged |
furyou_gaijin wrote:
tmesis wrote:
I'm not sure that we should duct tape children's mouths until we can come to a universal consensus on a standard pronunciation. |
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Hm... I've never thought of it that way but now that you mention it... :-)
Yet with English accents, it's all natural. And Latin speech naturally died.
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I don't think its dead completely. You still have the Catholic Church that uses it. furyou_gaijin, what accent do you have when you speak Latin? Was that really your first language?
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tmesis Senior Member Mayotte Joined 6591 days ago 154 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 48 of 103 27 July 2007 at 4:12pm | IP Logged |
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