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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6271 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 17 of 52 10 January 2010 at 9:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Medieval Latin was influenced by the vernaculars of those who used it, who often had little knowledge of Classical Latin. Traits from French, Italian and perhaps even non-Romance languages could find their way into Medieval Latin.
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| TheBiscuit Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 5922 days ago 532 posts - 619 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Italian Studies: German, Croatian | Message 18 of 52 12 January 2010 at 4:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Try this (if you're fluent in Spanish): Listen to a song in Italian and see how much you understand. Then listen to the same song but with Spanish subtitles (you can find lots on youtube). I think it gives you a good idea of how much you're getting only by listening.
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| SnowManR1 Groupie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5487 days ago 53 posts - 95 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 19 of 52 19 January 2010 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | ||
I believe you have the most accurate opinion to this thread. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5807 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 20 of 52 20 January 2010 at 4:07am | IP Logged | ||
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Interestingly, when I first started studying Italian I marveled at the similarities it
had with Spanish. Now that I'm studying it more in depth I marvel at the differences. I find that Portuguese is more similar to Spanish lexically but Italian is more similar to Spanish phonetically. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| LordGolem Diglot Newbie Italy Joined 6085 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 21 of 52 20 January 2010 at 10:52am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm an Italian native speaker and I really understand very little classical latin. When I watched
Mel Gibson's "The Passion", I couldn't understand anything but the odd word or two. Classical latin is a really difficult matter in Italy's high school, I studied it and I know the difficulties of translating it. Well, latin spoken in "The Passion" wasn't really classical latin, but it was ecclesiastic latin. By the way it was a mistake in the film using ecclesiastic latin over classical latin. "Medieval" latin is similar to ancient Italian. If I listen to Carl Orff's Carmina Burana, which is written in a form of "reconstructed" medieval latin, I can understand a lot, but not everything. By the way, for the average Italian person, it's hard to understand even ancient italian, such as Dante's Italian. As for Spanish and portuguese, I never studied them, but I understand a little written Spanish and very little spoken Spanish. Just to say, I can grasp the sense of what's going on in a newspaper article, but i don't understand the subtleties of it. I think that with a little exposure an Italian could reach a good command of Spanish with little effort. As for portuguese, I just understand the odd word or two. I think it's more distant from Italian compared to Spanish. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iris-Way Newbie United States Joined 5575 days ago 22 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 22 of 52 20 January 2010 at 12:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think Spanish and Italian do have a high transparency, but there are obviously very different things. I speak intermediate Spanish and my mother speaks Italian, and she can understand me most of the time when we speak in foreign language. Yet there are always some things that I just have to tell her in English.
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| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6959 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 23 of 52 20 January 2010 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think it depends on who you talk to. I remember that I worked In Angola in a U.N. mission in 1996 . The majority of the crew were Italians, spaniards, Spanish-speaking latin americans ,portugues and brasilians ( and this choice of people was not a case because the language of Angola is portuguese)and then other nationalities. The official language of the mission was English .. We all spoke to each other a mix of Italian, Spanish and portuguese . It was really nice! Italo-Portu-Nol the name of this funny pidgin.
We spoke English only with the non-latin speakers .Nobody of us mastered the language of the others but there was no communication problem. I learned portuguese there and I have improuved my Spanish.If you speak one of the 3 language is easy to understand the other.But you need to have an open mind too. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Reisender Triglot Newbie Italy Joined 5450 days ago 30 posts - 44 votes Speaks: German*, English, Italian Studies: Spanish, Latin, Ancient Greek, French | Message 24 of 52 20 January 2010 at 11:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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I speak Italian on an intermediate level and do understand very, very little whenever Spanish native speakers talk to each other by virtue of them always speaking awfully fast. However, i understand quite a bit when reading Spanish texts. I'd say that i understand a Spanish text as well as a dutch one (without ever having learned a single word of Dutch).
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