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| ruskivyetr Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5480 days ago 769 posts - 962 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Polish, Modern Hebrew | Message 9 of 20 24 January 2010 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I did not mean volunteers with major agencies. As I had said my school is preparing a group to go down there. They are not going with any "agency", but with one of the teachers who is Haitian. Most of the students going do not take French (which I don't think would really be useful anyway), and seeing as they are waiting for more volunteers, it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to practice some Haitian. If Pimsleur sent it straight to the major agencies, smaller groups like these wouldn't have it available to them. I intend to notify the group of this resource, and maybe as a preparation requirement, they should have these brave high school volunteers go through it and pick up the basics.
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| Johntm Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5421 days ago 616 posts - 725 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 10 of 20 24 January 2010 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5807 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German | Message 11 of 20 24 January 2010 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think its great that their offering these lessons for free.
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| Roq71 Diglot Groupie United States Joined 6593 days ago 63 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Haitian Creole | Message 12 of 20 25 January 2010 at 1:34am | IP Logged | |||||
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I agree with Johntm. I know several people who are traveling to Haiti to help out in a medical capacity that are not
linked to any sort of agency at all, and some linked to a small orphanage that is not under the umbrella of a large bureaucracy. Why shouldn't they have access to this? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| carlonove Senior Member United States Joined 5985 days ago 145 posts - 253 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian | Message 13 of 20 25 January 2010 at 3:41am | IP Logged | |||||
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Logistically, I don't think there's ready-made list of Haitian relief organizations with proper contacts, phone numbers, or email addresses that they can simply copy and paste into the body of an email. They've already got a newsletter that (tens of?) thousands of people read and it's a 100% cost-free way to get people thinking about Haiti for 10-20 seconds. At this point, the more attention people give the situation the better, and Learn Out Loud is helping even if it is deep down a cynical marketing ploy. You can go the other way, too, and say that it's disgusting and shameful for people to download the lessons for free if they have no intention of going to Haiti or helping refugees directly in some way.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 14 of 20 04 February 2010 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
I held off answering this because you wouldn't have just shouted me down for having an unrealistic opinion. The simplest reason volunteers should go through aid agencies is to ensure people get to places where their needed, and don't all end up in the same place. Nothing contentious there. But the other reasons are perhaps even more important. Unregistered, untracked volunteers can get up to no good. They can do good but by their presence encourage crime. If there's any further trouble (aftershocks, civil unrest etc), they risk going unaccounted for in search efforts. Child trafficking Armed robberies Non-medical volunteers breaking into hospitals It has long been recognised that uncoordinated relief efforts greatly complicate security arrangements and risk further destabilising the situation. Unvetted volunteers may be criminals, and the peace-keeping and law-and-order forces already have more than enough on their plates. Any small organisation that wants to help in humanitarian relief efforts anywhere should contact one of the larger agencies and only work in concert with them. This ensures that effort is not duplicated or created where there was no need. It increases the safety of the victims and their possessions. Even those who genuinely mean well have to accept that by going unregistered, they make it easier for the criminals and opportunists to slip in unnoticed. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Astrophel Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5731 days ago 157 posts - 345 votes Speaks: English*, Latin, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Cantonese, Polish, Sanskrit, Cherokee | Message 15 of 20 04 February 2010 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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What about people know have friends and family in Haiti and are flying down to help the people they know?
I'm actually working on the street for Haiti relief right now and I have talked to SEVERAL people who already have established contacts down there and are flying out on their own. Are you seriously saying these people should go through a large agency rather than traveling to help friends and family in crisis? I've pointed them to the free lessons, by the way, and many were very grateful such a thing is available. This is actually accomplishing its purpose. I've seen it firsthand. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| canada38 Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5494 days ago 304 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 16 of 20 04 February 2010 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I wonder if LearnOutLoud was just simply trying to provide their appropriate resources
as quickly as possible. As was previously mentioned, I'm certain that they did not have a "Forward to all Aid Agencies" Button available for immediate notification of all who might be involved. Keep in mind that they are a business. They have made a good donation, and while not consisting of any solid matter, it costs bandwidth to download the programme. I'm also willing to bet that with these tough economic times for everyone, they likely don't have tons of excess staff sitting around who could have been dedicated to finding all the aid agency contacts. Sure that would be more of a donation per se, but maybe all that was feasible was to donate the educational material. Myself, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I hate greedy corporations and sleazy advertising. But if some rich guy decides to donate $500 million to Haiti in exchange for a city to be named after him, while his motivations might be flawed and unethical; the end in still accomplished in a manner than benefits all and hurts none. The same principle applies in this case. A further note: Everyone is entitled to an opinion and having one such that LearnOutLoud is taking advantage of the disaster is a fair and valid opinion. However, for all those who are criticizing whilst not giving anything themselves, your opinion is worthless. (I'm not implying that anyone who disagrees with me hasn't giving to Haiti, I only mean those who criticize but do not give). 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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