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| hombre gordo Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5582 days ago 184 posts - 247 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Portuguese, Korean | Message 1 of 7 26 January 2010 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Recently I have noticed a lot of use of 視 attached to nouns/na-adjectives.
視 holds the meaning of "to look at as... , to view as..., to deam as...". For example: 敵対 - Hostility 敵対視する - to view as an enemy 優越 - superiority, excellence 優越視する - to view as superior (for example, ones self) 特別 - special 特別視する - to see as special (for example, ones self again) 異端 - Heresy 異端視する - to look down on as heretical (religious organizations) 危険 - Danger 危険視する - to see as a danger 疑問 - Doubt, question 疑問視する - To hold in doubt Out of these, 優越視 and 特別視 are not included in the yahoo dictionary, but I have seen them used regularly. I just would like to know just exactly how flexible this usage of 視 is? I did a yahoo search with "を病気視" (to view as an illness)! 病気視 is never a word included in a Japanese dictionary! I found the following. 不登校を病気視する (to view truency as an illness) and 私は自ら自分のことを病気視してません (I dont view myself (or things concerning myself) as ill). Similary "を正常視" (to view as normal) got results! For example, 異常なものを正常視しろ (view something abnormal as normal!) Also "を異常視" (to view as abnormal) got quite a lot of results. For example, モテない男を異常視するような雰囲気 (an atmosphere in which people view guys who arent popular with the ladies as abnormal) 劣等視 (to view as inferior). For example, 外国人や他民族を劣等視する (to view foreigners and people of other races as inferior) 変態視する (to view as perverted) For example, 同性愛を「変態視」するほど人権感覚の鈍い 者 (people so insensitive to human rights to the extent that they view homosexuality as perverted) 陳腐視する (to view as trite/hackneyed) For example, コミカルなコスチュームのキャラを陳腐視し ていた為 (because they saw the comical costumed character as trite) 清純視する (to see as pure/innocent/niave/ looking at in a pure/innocent manner) For example, 女性を、清純視してる (looking at females in a pure/ innocent manner) 邪悪視する (to deem as evil) 蜘蛛を邪悪視する (to see spiders in an evil light) 真実視する (to view as truth) For example, 聖書を真実視するユダヤ・キリスト教徒 (Jews and Christians who view the Bible as truth) The above compounds are not found in the dictionary, thus strictly speaking are not proper Japanese. The above "視 compond words" as words found by search engines which Japanese people have made up and used themselves. I found them just by doing a simple experiment typing randoms words and adding 視. For some reason "綺麗視" (to regard as beautiful) got no results. Just exactly how flexible is this usage? I find its usage interesting! Could anyone give any more examples of these "improvised" 視 compond words? Edited by hombre gordo on 26 January 2010 at 6:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6767 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 2 of 7 27 January 2010 at 2:55am | IP Logged | ||
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I get a few results for 綺麗視 but not too many. None at all for 奇麗視.
Here's my OS dictionary's entry for 視: し【視】 〘語素〙名詞の下に付いて、…と見なす、… として取り扱う、の意を表す。「ライバル— 」「重要—」「同一—」 If you can even pair it with gairaigo, it must be quite productive, sort of like 化 which gets used in some mind- boggling ways. (The grammatically hideous 見える化 is a buzzword that pops up in technical documents lately.) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| null Groupie China Joined 6124 days ago 76 posts - 82 votes Speaks: Mandarin* | Message 3 of 7 29 January 2010 at 11:14am | IP Logged | ||
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This is hardly a suprise.
Most Kanji can work as a morpheme. A better example would be Chinese. In Chinese, you can coin up tons of words relating to "视"(view) by puting it to the head,the middle or the end. Words starting with "视": 视野 视察 视事 视而不见 视死如归 视若无睹 视线 视而不见，听而不... 视觉 视角 视阈 视民如伤 视学 视界 视听 视死如饴 视力 视肉 视网膜 视息 视为畏途 视如寇仇 视履 视瞻 视朝 视含 视同儿戏 视如敝屣 视草 视遇 视微知著 视膳 视成 视瞭 视同拱璧 视同秦越 视同一律 视同陌路 视如粪土 视师 视端 视为寇雠 视态 视篆 视日 视如敝屐 视远步高 视民如子 视为知己 视朔 视之不见，听之不... 视祲 视如草芥 视死如生 视丹如緑 视同路人 视眺 视若路人 视区 视如土芥 视险如夷 视问 视下如伤 视荫 视临 视如珍宝 视草台 视疾 视日如年 视距 视寝 视丹如绿 视死若归 视濯 视撝 视生 视效 视流 视盲 视掌 视如陌路 视候 视人如伤 视秩 视死犹归 视死若生 视若儿戏 视文 视伟 视差 视印 视养 视财如命 视孔 视为儿戏 视险若夷 视保 视人如子 视习 视躁 视力表 视药 视护 Edited by null on 29 January 2010 at 11:15am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6767 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 4 of 7 29 January 2010 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | ||
Yeah, but in Japanese, you're often restricted to a limited set of words that a suffix can be added onto. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nescafe Senior Member Japan Joined 5408 days ago 137 posts - 227 votes | Message 5 of 7 02 February 2010 at 11:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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In your list
敵対視する - never used. the correct use is 敵視する 優越視する - never used. 特別視する - OK 異端視する - OK 危険視する - applied mostly to political radicals, I think. 疑問視する - OK 病気視 - a strange or "creative" use. understandable but strange. maybe accptable. 正常視 - OK, but I have to add a comment on this later. 異常視 - OK 劣等視 - You have better not to use this. The better expression is "蔑視する". 変態視する - OK 陳腐視する - wrong use, I think. 清純視する - wrong use. 邪悪視する - never used. 真実視する - A very special use. I think this can be applied only to "Western" religious contexts. This maybe an imported expression from the West through translation of the Bible. my opinion The expression "xxx視する" is applied to someone or some people considered as "abnormal" or "out of 普通,ふつう (= normal)". When you look at someone "xxx視", you think that person is not "普通". In your list, "敵対" is an action so you can not "敵対視する", but "敵視する"; "優越視" is not used because for Japanese "abnormal" is "bad, inferior", and "優越" is "superior". "陳腐","清純","邪悪", none of them means "abnormal". "正常視する" is a special expression. "正常" is "right" or "normal", this means that those who look at someone "正常視する" themselve are "abnormal". 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| hombre gordo Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5582 days ago 184 posts - 247 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Portuguese, Korean | Message 6 of 7 03 February 2010 at 5:53am | IP Logged | ||
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[QUOTE=nescafe] "優越視" is not used because for Japanese "abnormal" is "bad, inferior", and "優越" is "superior".
QUOTE] I saw this word (優越視) in the sense of certain groups arrogantly seeing themselves as superior to everyone else. Is saw it in 知恵袋. For example, (insert group)は自分を優越視する (they see themselves as above everyone else). That is obviously a bad/ abnormal trait isnt it? By the way, 優越視 brings up 8 pages of results on 知恵袋. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nescafe Senior Member Japan Joined 5408 days ago 137 posts - 227 votes | Message 7 of 7 03 February 2010 at 6:15am | IP Logged | ||
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Ummm... I meant in my post that when you look at someone or something "xxx視する" you think THAT THING, the object, is abnormal or bad (in your standard), not you, the subject, are abnormal.
I do not think "優越視する" is a very common phrase: I have not heard it, but of course people will understand it. I believe generaly "xxx視する" is applied to something not "普通", which is considered not good in most case, but there are cases in which being not 普通 do not mean "bad". For example, "偶像視する" looking at someone as an idol, is very common. In this case "偶像" is something not 普通 but good thing. Edited by nescafe on 03 February 2010 at 7:55am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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