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 Message 9 of 10
10 February 2010 at 7:40am | IP Logged 
Sayumi wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but Wikipedia tells me 빵(ppang) comes from the Japanese パン(pan),via the Portuguese pão, which I suppose derives from the Latin "panis".Bread in Chinese is just 面包 (mian4 bao1), the etymology of which I'm not all that sure about though.


What a coincidence! I just heard from my teacher earlier today in class that it comes from the French word "pain." It probably doesn't matter too much since they're both Romance languages, but now I'm interested in who's right: a Ph.D holder or Wikipedia. Then again, she didn't know that 'kamsa' came from the Japanese 'kansha,' which of course comes from Chinese...
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 Message 10 of 10
10 February 2010 at 5:11pm | IP Logged 
パン definitely comes from the Portuguese. This is pretty much common knowledge — Portuguese and Dutch were
the first two Western languages Japan had regular contact with, so much of its basic vocabulary for Western items
comes from those languages. However, people sometimes assume the Portuguese loans come from French, and the
Dutch loans from English, due to similarities.

(Fewer people know, perhaps, that "tempura" also comes from Portuguese.)

Edited by Captain Haddock on 10 February 2010 at 5:12pm

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