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datsunking1
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 Message 1 of 10
11 February 2010 at 12:14am | IP Logged 
What is the difference between in/im/dem?

If I wanted to say "We are at the swimmingpool/mall/etc."

is it

Wir sind in dem Swimmingpool/Einkaufscentrum (is this literally We are IN the pool/IN the mall?)

or

Wir sind im Swimmingpool/Einkaufscentrum. (I was reading when I came across a sentence that had "im" referring to "at/in"

Which one do I use, and what is the difference!

Danke
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Edited by datsunking1 on 11 February 2010 at 12:19am

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Pyx
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 Message 2 of 10
11 February 2010 at 12:35am | IP Logged 
Im is a contraction of 'in dem' ;)
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 Message 3 of 10
11 February 2010 at 12:47am | IP Logged 
I think "im" is the short form of "in dem"
There are more of them:
am - an dem
zum - zu dem
aufs - auf das
beim - bei dem
....
The preposition could change in different cases:
on the chair
accusative: auf den Stuhl (Wohin soll ich das legen? - Auf den Stuhl.)
dativ: auf dem Stuhl (Wo liegt das Kissen? - Auf dem Stuhl.)

I've a question, because my English isn't very good.
I always think that "at" means "bei", I would translate "I'm at the swimmingpool" - "Ich bin am Schwimmbecken" (So not in the water, only standing there and waiting for something ....)
And "I'm in the swimmingpool" - "Ich bin im Schwimmbecken" (I'm actually in the water)
Is it wrong?
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Pyx
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 Message 4 of 10
11 February 2010 at 12:52am | IP Logged 
Mareike wrote:

accusative: auf den Stuhl (Wohin soll ich das legen? - Auf den Stuhl.)
dativ: auf dem Stuhl (Wo liegt das Kissen? - Auf dem Stuhl.)

And don't be surprised to hear "aufn" and "aufm" in colloquial speech either ;)

Mareike wrote:

I always think that "at" means "bei", I would translate "I'm at the swimmingpool" - "Ich bin am Schwimmbecken" (So not in the water, only standing there and waiting for something ....)
And "I'm in the swimmingpool" - "Ich bin im Schwimmbecken" (I'm actually in the water)
Is it wrong?

That's right
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11 February 2010 at 1:39am | IP Logged 
Mareike wrote:
I think "im" is the short form of "in dem"


What about "ins"?

I've heard blah blah "...ins Gesicht" in Rammstein songs before.
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Pyx
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 Message 6 of 10
11 February 2010 at 1:54am | IP Logged 
IronFist wrote:
Mareike wrote:
I think "im" is the short form of "in dem"


What about "ins"?

I've heard blah blah "...ins Gesicht" in Rammstein songs before.

"In das". Good taste in music! ;)
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datsunking1
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 Message 7 of 10
11 February 2010 at 3:57am | IP Logged 
Pyx wrote:
IronFist wrote:
Mareike wrote:
I think "im" is the short form of "in dem"


What about "ins"?

I've heard blah blah "...ins Gesicht" in Rammstein songs before.

"In das". Good taste in music! ;)


Is that sarcastic? A lot of what rammstein writes has TERRIBLE lyrics. :D

Thank you for your help though!

What's the difference between bei and an dem?
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Pyx
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 Message 8 of 10
11 February 2010 at 4:35am | IP Logged 
datsunking1 wrote:

Is that sarcastic? A lot of what rammstein writes has TERRIBLE lyrics. :D

No, I meant it, I like Rammstein a lot :D
Some of their lyrics are pretty good, imho. I always get goosebumps when listening to "Klavier", for example :)

datsunking1 wrote:

What's the difference between bei and an dem?

Oh.. good question. I have no idea o_O
If I make it more concrete, for example "Ich bin am Klavier" vs "Ich bin beim Klavier", then I'd say "am Klavier" means you're really close to it, probably playing it. "Beim Klavier" would mean the general vicinity. But that's really just a guess derived from that one example...

Edited by Pyx on 11 February 2010 at 4:36am



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