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| epingchris Triglot Senior Member Taiwan shih-chuan.blog.ntu. Joined 6971 days ago 273 posts - 284 votes  5 sounds Studies: Taiwanese, Mandarin*, English, FrenchB2 Studies: Japanese, German, Turkish | Message 9 of 17 30 January 2008 at 6:45am | IP Logged | ||||||||
You mean this which costs $21.99? You've got to be kidding me...... :) Well, I suppose it depends on the version you're looking for since this one is $14.95. Still, I'm not yet comfortable with purchasing online, especially on an overseas website. I'll have a look on it.
It's DVD, right? What's in it primarily?
Can you explain a little more? Because I'm not sure if I can move my "R" more toward the lips...... In the meantime, I'll keep imitating native speakers with whatever resources I can find. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tmesis Senior Member Mayotte Joined 6591 days ago 154 posts - 146 votes Speaks: English* | Message 10 of 17 30 January 2008 at 10:29am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| rodYon Pentaglot Newbie Croatia Joined 6091 days ago 38 posts - 38 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Serbian, Croatian*, Latin, French, English Studies: Italian | Message 11 of 17 13 February 2008 at 8:50am | IP Logged | ||||||||
of course you will not do that with your Rs.. the thing is (native speakers please feel free to comment) that cheek and lip muscles should be (more) tightened when speaking french. we were practicing by repeating "mala maca" (which means "a little cat" in croatian); you know how people change the way they sound and pronounce when talking to a baby (who's a cute baby? who's a cute baby? yeees, you are a cute baby, yes you are, yes you are- to take an example commonly heard in films) or to a cat, dog, or whatever.. that puts the facial muscles in the right position for articulating french. here, i'll read the same thing as you did, what differences do you hear? http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/sounds/index.asp?sound= 244 Edited by rodYon on 13 February 2008 at 8:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6413 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 12 of 17 13 February 2008 at 10:19am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I just released a short video teaching the IPA (international phonetic alphabet) symbols necessary for French. I am sure that if you learn how to read and write them, you can improve your French pronunciation, because your senses will be on the watch-out for subtle differences in pronunciation. Have a look if you like: either find it streamed at http://www.lingorilla.com/index.php?module=records (video called "IPA for French) or download it from my temporary server at http://www.learnlangs.com/temp/IPA_French.avi .
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| rodYon Pentaglot Newbie Croatia Joined 6091 days ago 38 posts - 38 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Serbian, Croatian*, Latin, French, English Studies: Italian | Message 13 of 17 13 February 2008 at 1:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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very nice, but there are 2 mistakes- immeuble is [imœbl], there aren't any nasals here. what is more interesting, the speaker pronounced a nasal, which is, according to standard french, wrong. is it a dialect or what? en plus, there is clearly written in th end that double m/n denasalises the sound..
second mistake- transcript at the end- Pour appliquer ce que vous avez appris, ecrivez beaucoup de textes en francais translittéré et faites attention aux sons (sorry for missing accent symbols)- there is the symbol for nasal e preceding the word francais, which is wrong as it should be a symbol for nasal a. also, i'm not so sure that there is necesarry to transcribe the "e caduc" in "textes", as it is "devoured" by the following nasal, and you have a semi-obligatory liaison- so it should be [tekstzãfransE]. ah, yes- "this might be written as one string of letters without spaces, since French usually doesn't pause between words"- i think that my former french phonetics professor would have a nervous breakdown if i had written it like that :)). it should be separated by |, after each natural pause, and sentence ending with ||. - [puRaplike|s@k@vuzaveapRi|ekRivebokutekstzãfRãsEtRãslitERe|e|fEtatãsjõosõ||] here i noticed another mistake- beaucoup de textes. de isn't represented by a d and an "e caduc", but with a t, because it is between consonants and it has an "e caduc", and that makes a t. Edited by rodYon on 13 February 2008 at 3:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| FlorentT Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6263 days ago 119 posts - 120 votes Speaks: French*, English, Italian Studies: Portuguese, Flemish, German, Hindi | Message 14 of 17 15 February 2008 at 2:24am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Great video! I'll certainly recommend it to my friends who learn French. Two quick remarks on top of the ones above (I confirm I have never heard a nasal sound in immeuble in any French-speaking country or French region, but some older people do pronounce année with an initial nasal sound though):
* You are saying that "in most regions of France" the distinction between the sounds in "vin" and "brun" is disappearing. That's the right approach to teach people, but that is even I believe an understatement. I believe only some regions makes this distinction now (around Toulouse for example). I certainly don't make it myself when speaking normally, even though I am forcing myself to please my grandmother sometimes 8^) * Small error: you are writing "guèpe" whereas it should be "guêpe" But overall, many thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6413 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 15 of 17 15 February 2008 at 3:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thanks for all the feedback.
As for "vin" / "brun" - I believe that while the "brun" sound is disappearing in France, it is still very alive in Québec and other parts of the Francophonie, as well as French classes for foreigners. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| FlorentT Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6263 days ago 119 posts - 120 votes Speaks: French*, English, Italian Studies: Portuguese, Flemish, German, Hindi | Message 16 of 17 15 February 2008 at 2:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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You are right. Belgium is another example.
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