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| laban Triglot Groupie Israel Joined 5821 days ago 87 posts - 96 votes  Speaks: Modern Hebrew*, English, Italian Studies: Norwegian, German | Message 17 of 48 31 July 2009 at 12:29am | IP Logged | |||||
ohh yes, i've been there, and let me just review some of the things you said : Freezing cold - i love the cold, definitely prefer it, cause here its always hot - way too hot. extremely high taxes - considering the high standard of living and salaries there - not that bad. besides i'm not so sure taxes here are any lower, and at least there, most of them are given back to the people (welfare, education...). dont get me wrong here, israel is supposedly the same, but there are some "mishaps" here and there. huge unintegrated immigrant population - i really cant see how's that any bad, looking from the countrys perspective. so... Edited by laban on 31 July 2009 at 12:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5837 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 18 of 48 31 July 2009 at 2:06am | IP Logged | |||||
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Swedish taxes are only about 30 % for regular workers, not particularly dramatic by EU standards. .. Sweden has certainly had to adapt the socialist model because of increased globalism and constant growth of capitalism. We may be idealists but we are not stupid!
Anyway, like Laban said: Israel and Sweden are completely different kinds of countries and cannot be compared! 1) Sweden has extremely friendly relations to all neighbouring states and does not need to spend huge sums on defense or draft all citizens into the army for many years (which Israel must do to survive as a nation). 2) Sweden has a completely different climate and more natural resources than Israel, which also is much smaller than Sweden. 3)Israel is made up of relatively recent immigrants from all over the world. The Swedish population was completely homogenous until the 1980s. This helps for running an efficient state. (Acceptance of refugees/mass-immigration in Sweden is a complicated) 4) Swedens industry was intact after ww2 whereas the future population of Israel had lost their property, careers and was seriously traumatised. Huge advantage for Sweden in building up a stable economy compared with Israels shaky start. 5) Israel has an advantage its network of supporters and potential business partners all over the world as a result of the international population and peoples emotional attachment to Israel. 6) Israel also had lots of support by the US and some other countries in its early days. A guy like Laban would probably fit in really well in Sweden although he might get depressed from the lack of sunshine or bored by the lack of drama in society (compared with Israel). Anyway, he'd have to get a student or work visa if he was going to stay for a while. Edited by cordelia0507 on 31 July 2009 at 2:15am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| J-Learner Senior Member Australia Joined 6029 days ago 556 posts - 636 votes Studies: Yiddish, English* Studies: Dutch | Message 19 of 48 31 July 2009 at 3:09am | IP Logged | |||||
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Stop being dramatic you lot!
Can we get back to the discussion of Yiddish??? I've started making up some materials for the shadowing of Yiddish if anyone is interested. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5837 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 20 of 48 31 July 2009 at 4:02am | IP Logged | |||||
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Sorry about the distraction, I think I fell for some "trolling" there and I am such an easy target for that! It really seems like the lloydkirk had nothing to add about Yiddish but wanted to complain about the political system in Sweden. I will not write a cutting response back..
I can't contribute many more myself because I don't know any more at all about Yiddish than what little I previously knew, and what I learnt from this thrread. I started the tread to find out more. But I would really like to see Yiddish or at least Yiddish music and culture live on across the world. Edited by cordelia0507 on 31 July 2009 at 4:06am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| J-Learner Senior Member Australia Joined 6029 days ago 556 posts - 636 votes Studies: Yiddish, English* Studies: Dutch | Message 21 of 48 31 July 2009 at 6:03am | IP Logged | |||||
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If you ever want to talk about Yiddish with me I'm fairly knowledgeable.
PM me for my email address and we can discuss it. You can ask me specific questions and I can either answer them from personal knowledge or derive a (hopefully) sufficient answer from the resources I have. I agree with your last point cordelia0507. It's a great culture that has a lot of strength left in it yet. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6271 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 22 of 48 31 July 2009 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I remember reading about an American who suggested reform of his local police force. He was so viciously persecuted as a result (death threats, arbitrary arrest etc.) that he went to Sweden and claimed political asylum. I don't know whether he still lives there.
But you're right. It is a digression from talking about Yiddish. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5837 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 23 of 48 31 July 2009 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Will, your digression is allowed by me, the topic starter unless Patuco says otherwise... I am not sure whether this American would eventually have been successful in his asylum claim or not. Probably not. But that doesn't stop these claims from going on for years, so he might still be in court, during which time he would not be legally allowed to work. Another potential problem for him is how to support himself if he stayed in Sweden. He'd have to learn Swedish and he'd have to re-train from scratch if he wanted to get back to policing.
Some say that Sweden's post-war generosity with asylum claims might partly have been triggered by guilt over the sad refusal of visas to Jews during WW2. (Only the Scandinavian Jews were able to stay in Sweden.) Fox News clip Any Jewish person entering this area in Southern Sweden should keep his religion to himself! Compare with normal Swedish society and you can imagine that regular Swedes are a little bit concerned... Normally I consider Fox News to be US right-wing propaganda, but the facts in the story are essentially correct although they are making it sound a bit worse than it probably was. Edited by cordelia0507 on 31 July 2009 at 9:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6271 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 24 of 48 31 July 2009 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Sweden also gave refuge to quite a few Americans avoiding the Vietnam War draft.
The man I referred to was not a policeman. I forget his original occupation. He reportedly campaigned for civic reform of his local police force and became targeted by a kind of vendetta for doing so. I read a newspaper report about it many years ago and am not clear about all the details now. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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