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| laban Triglot Groupie Israel Joined 5821 days ago 87 posts - 96 votes  Speaks: Modern Hebrew*, English, Italian Studies: Norwegian, German | Message 25 of 48 31 July 2009 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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ok you all are quite right, we deviated a bit from the subject.
but, i feel i gotta clear a few things before we go on, i'll make it short. i dont think israel would be best defined as free-market capitalism, though i really wouldn't know how to describe it better - excuse my ignorance. and i've never said israel is very similar to sweden, but then again, when it comes to EU standards - israel doesn't fall in any way, actually, in comparison to some, its even better. israel is also one of the world leading countries when it comes to technology and various novelties - not to brag or anything, but cordelia, it seems to me like you fell in some very common misconceptions (or maybe i just got you wrong there). p.s - yes, i think i could certainly fit there, firstly because, when i'll walk down the street you probably wouldn't even guess that i'm not from around there, i'll definitely enjoy the lack of sun, about the drama - dont feel any here either and i have a european passport so no problemo. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| J-Learner Senior Member Australia Joined 6029 days ago 556 posts - 636 votes Studies: Yiddish, English* Studies: Dutch | Message 26 of 48 01 August 2009 at 2:32am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Just when a good convo on Yidish starts!
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| The Narrator Diglot Newbie Israel Joined 5602 days ago 31 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English, Modern Hebrew* Studies: German | Message 27 of 48 01 August 2009 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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With a little bit of creativity, every educated German that can read Hebrew could also
understand at least some Yiddish. Here's an example from the Yiddish Wikipedia: די יידישע שפראך איז געווען פאפולער צווישן די יידן אין א סך לענדער אין אייראפע, און דערפאר האבן זיך אנטוויקלט א סך סארטן דיאלעקטן אין דער שפראך. Now, if I transcribe it into Latin alphabet, it would look something like this: Die Jiddische Sprach is gawan papular zwichen die Jiden (=Juden) in a sach Lander in Europa, un dafür haben sich entwikelet a sach sarten Dialekten in der Sprach I think I understand it, so I'm sure Germans would find quite easy to comprehend. Edited by The Narrator on 01 August 2009 at 4:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7014 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 28 of 48 02 August 2009 at 12:20am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Don't worry, you're not the first person to have fallen for lloydkirk's political remarks. It's happened before.
Thank you for controlling yourself. In any case, I've deleted the irrelevant comments. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5837 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 29 of 48 02 August 2009 at 12:41am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Patuco's got such style!
I think it must be the Jewish blood in me that makes me love a (nice) debate! Most Swedish people love conformity and hold the same opionions about most things. Perhaps one of my ancestors were one of those famous Rabbis who debated the position of a single word in the Bible for decades, wrote books about it and fell out with his friends about it.... ! I found some really great Yiddish videos on Youtube. If you are interested in Yiddish you should really check that out. I could never have imagined there was so much. Turns out there is also a "2nd Yiddish" called "Ladino" another "Jewish" language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| J-Learner Senior Member Australia Joined 6029 days ago 556 posts - 636 votes Studies: Yiddish, English* Studies: Dutch | Message 30 of 48 02 August 2009 at 3:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yeah there's quite a bit there. The comedians are pretty good (what I understand of them :P).
Ladino is cool but there are far fewer speakers and it has a much small literature. I would love to learn a little after doing Spanish though. There are actually dozens of Jewish languages cordelia0507. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| lloydkirk Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6412 days ago 429 posts - 452 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian | Message 31 of 48 02 August 2009 at 3:36am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Oh, patuco, it had been a year since I last posted here and you still remembered that lot..A little slow to forgive and forget..eh? My criticism was more and less economic in nature. But admittedly, economics strays in politics, politics strays into economics, languages stray in cultures, cultures stray in geopolitics..You see where I'm going? Unless you live in a hut in Maseru, everyone suffers through some form of bureacracy every day. Politics is among us everywhere. The greatest lie one can tell themselves is that they are apolitcal. Back to the subject at hand, I think Yiddish is a lovely language. Where I currently live, south east florida, there are a lot of hasidic jews and almost all of them speak yiddish. The language sounds like German to me with semetic overtones. With my abysmal German, I can get a couple words in a sentence when spoken. It's kind of hard community to break into though as a gentile. Edited by lloydkirk on 02 August 2009 at 3:39am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| J-Learner Senior Member Australia Joined 6029 days ago 556 posts - 636 votes Studies: Yiddish, English* Studies: Dutch | Message 32 of 48 02 August 2009 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yiddish has a sizeable Semitic (Hebrew-Aramaic) portion but the influence of the Slavic languages (particularly Polish, Russian, Ukrainian) really seems to be far more extensive. This becomes more noticeable as one moves further east over the Yiddish heim.
The influence of Slavic can be felt on the pronunciation, vocabulary, grammar, idiom and the extensive diminutive system, partly inherited from it's Germanic heritage but mostly from the Slavic. Two very interesting things I've noticed in my studies so far: 1) Other than English it seems to be the only Germanic language with the 'zh' sound (excepting loan words). I'm assuming this is a Slavic inheritance. 2) The Hebrew vocabulary is just written as if it were still Hebrew. No change is made to show the pronunciation as one finds it in Yiddish. Luckily one can go over an average text and not find too many of them :D. (A religious text would be another story. In this situation you probably wouldn't understand a lot, even if it wasn't in Yiddish as many of the terms would simply be untranslated and transliterated.) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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