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cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5841 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 9 of 17 01 January 2010 at 7:18pm | IP Logged |
As always, listening to a lot of material holds the key to getting the pronounciation right.
When to roll the Rs and when not to depends on the location of the R in the word (like Gusutafu said) and whether you are having a quick chat to your friends or holding an official speech.
In speeches, the Rs are usually rolled very strongly, for emphasis. Likewise if you are telling someone off or making an important point in a discussion.
But in normal speech the rolling is not as noticeable as in Finnish or Russian.
In the far South, throat Rs are used instead of rolling Rs, due to influence from Denmark.
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| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6145 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian
| Message 10 of 17 03 January 2010 at 5:18am | IP Logged |
I'm using an excellent book called Swedish: An Elementary Grammar-Reader for my studies. I have found it to be very in depth and intensive, but a bit outdated in some vocabulary (for example, en grammofonskiva = a gramophone record). It gives you a beginning text in Swedish at the beginning of the lesson, then a vocabulary list, then grammar explanations, and then exercises, the last of which is translating another text into Swedish. Note that there are no recordings and no answer key. I always post my translations in my log for correction. I would definitely recommend it, though.
Edited by ellasevia on 03 January 2010 at 5:19am
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| Impiegato Triglot Senior Member Sweden bsntranslation. Joined 5436 days ago 100 posts - 145 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, Italian Studies: Spanish, French, Russian
| Message 11 of 17 09 January 2010 at 7:51pm | IP Logged |
Why don't you try to get in contact with Swedish people living in the UK?
I see that the Rs have been discussed. The most common way to pronounce R is the rolled one. I guess that about 80 % of the Swedish people use the rolled Rs. The general boundary is probably in the northern parts of Halland. North of this region, rolled Rs are a lot more common.
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| lloydkirk Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6416 days ago 429 posts - 452 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian
| Message 12 of 17 13 January 2010 at 12:26am | IP Logged |
I think the linguaphone swedish course is probably the most comprehensive one for the language. Try to get one used on ebay.
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7159 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish
| Message 13 of 17 13 January 2010 at 1:22am | IP Logged |
ellasevia wrote:
I'm using an excellent book called [I][URL=http://www.amazon.com/Swedish-Elementary-Grammar-Reader-Gladys-Hird/dp/0521226449/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262491722&sr=8-1]Swedish: An Elementary Grammar-Reader[/URL][/I] for my studies. I have found it to be very in depth and intensive, but a bit outdated in some vocabulary (for example, en grammofonskiva = a gramophone record). It gives you a beginning text in Swedish at the beginning of the lesson, then a vocabulary list, then grammar explanations, and then exercises, the last of which is translating another text into Swedish. Note that there are no recordings and no answer key. I always post my translations in [URL=http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16903&PN=1&TPN=1]my log[/URL] for correction. I would definitely recommend it, though. |
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This book may allow for a better realization of my idea to learn a Lappish language using resources printed in Norwegian or Swedish after having learned one of those Germanic languages to a decent level for reading competency. Thanks for mentioning this course, ellasevia.
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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6585 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German
| Message 14 of 17 13 January 2010 at 5:35am | IP Logged |
Here are three websites intended for Swedes, so they're advanced resources. Still, I figure someone might
benefit from them, and this sort of thing can be hard to find as a learner.
Tyda.se is another online free dictionary. Actually, this one's availible in English, so
it's not just for advanced students.
Swedia 2000 is a resource I've wanted for other languages. It's a list of
100 dialects from different parts of the country. Each has four different sound files: a young man, a young
woman, an old man and an old woman. For each sound file, there's a transcript in standard orthography and one
approximating a phonetic transcription. It's all in Swedish, though, so it's probably for advanced students. Still,
if you want to get some samples of real, unscripted speech, complete with transcriptions, and/or work on your
comprehension of different dialects, it's probably great. For a real challenge, try the old man and woman from
Överkalix. That's incomprehensible to an average native.
Sråkrådet is a governmental institution dealing with language issues.
There's a "månadens nyord" (neologism of the month), "månadens dialektord" (dialectal word of the month),
there's an advice column and, something I gather could be interesting if you already know English, a huge list of
words that are often borrowed from English, with Swedish equivalents.
Edited by Ari on 13 January 2010 at 5:36am
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| goosefrabbas Triglot Pro Member United States Joined 6371 days ago 393 posts - 475 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: German, Italian Personal Language Map
| Message 15 of 17 13 January 2010 at 6:43am | IP Logged |
Wow, Ari, Swedia 2000 sounds like an amazing resource. You said you've wanted it for other languages, but do you know if it or something similar does exist for other languages?
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6912 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 16 of 17 13 January 2010 at 5:25pm | IP Logged |
I'm sure it does. I saw a link to a British accent archive the other day, either on this forum or at LingQ. I've also seen a similar resource for German accents.
Maybe somebody here has the link(s)?
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