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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6603 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 33 of 42 01 March 2014 at 3:19am | IP Logged | |||||
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But doesn't it feel unnatural exactly because the differences are very small, yet you can't rely on your own judgement and need to use dictionaries? At least it's similar to my issues with Belarusian.
And the link is great regardless of whether it applies here. (sad how it makes me think of Russia and Ukraine in the same terms as Croatia and Serbia...) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5915 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 34 of 42 01 March 2014 at 11:24am | IP Logged | |||||
I never felt like I would've been alright 90% of the time if I'd just written it in dialect. Far from it. (And I've seen people write our dialect - it's noticeably different from nynorsk.) But sometimes we'd do that - like if we couldn't find it in the dictionary, or couldn't figure out how to translate an idiom from bokmål - and just accept the very real risk of getting the red pen treatment after. Even after checking everything with a dictionary, it wasn't a pretty sight... There are so many words that are different in nynorsk that it felt kind of like trying to write a dialect from somewhere else (or... from nowhere, I still don't know anyone who uses those words except in writing). So it didn't really help that some words and bits of grammar were the same. People who learned it as their first written language might feel differently, but the majority of us were just awkward about it and didn't feel like it was familiar at all, despite some similarities. If this is supposedly my language it shouldn't feel so awkward... Liz 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6603 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 35 of 42 01 March 2014 at 4:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well but the small differences can manifest themselves in various ways. For example, some Belarusian words have entirely different roots (often from Polish), but most are just slightly different from the Russian equivalents. I'd call the languages 90% similar despite the fact that there are very few words that are written AND pronounced the same way.
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4674 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 36 of 42 02 March 2014 at 12:50am | IP Logged | |||||
The language council doesn't consider it ''Nynorsk core'' area anymore. Nynorsk-people don't care about Rogaland city people either, you could write and speak Riskmaal if you please. Overall, in Stavanger there is the most obvious example of diglossia in whole Norway, the differences between the Stavanger dialect and moderate Bokmaal are like the differences between Bern dialect and Hochdeutsch. At least in Bergen, many people speak and write in the same way. Some people like diglossia, some don't. I personally hate it. That's why I switched from Norwegian to Swedish. And it's great to hear Swedish speak the same way they write, the only difference being the pitch accent, and a few pronunciation differences (like the pronunciation of R or SJ). Edited by Medulin on 02 March 2014 at 12:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4713 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 37 of 42 02 March 2014 at 11:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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Medulin has clearly never heard a Scanian or a Gotlander speak, haha...
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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5853 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 38 of 42 10 April 2014 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have just cast my vote that I have been studying Norwegian Bokmål as well since May / July 2013. (besides Danish)
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4674 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 39 of 42 10 April 2014 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
I haven't? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsgIkyZh1-I I even got a TTS voice with a Scanian accent (made available by Acapela TTS) so it reads all documents with this accent. Edited by Medulin on 10 April 2014 at 9:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4105 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 40 of 42 11 April 2014 at 10:24am | IP Logged | |||||
I think we need to distinguish between a Scanian/Gotlander speaking and a Scanian/Gotlander speaking dialect (something you're unlikely to run into as a non-native). I have never not been understood for the sake of my Scanian accent (though my origins are usually evident no matter how fancy schmancy a fake "standardised" Swedish I try to put on... I just can't do that fancy school teacher R). I have, however, met plenty of people born and raised in Scania, but whose parents are not native Scanians, who do not understand me when I speak dialect. Speaking dialect in that kind of company however is something of a party trick. It's something you speak within the family, not with peers. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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