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| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5737 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 49 of 67 18 July 2009 at 4:14am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
WTF? What has "process over results", timeboxing, and dish washing to do with any of that? Did you accidentally post a wrong link or do you see anything in this that I don't see? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5708 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 50 of 67 18 July 2009 at 4:51am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
You very well might have. Its claim to fame is being an "encyclopedia" which anyone can edit at anytime.
I told you on other posts of yours exactly how they differ and I compared quotes from her book to ill concieved conjectures by her Wiki. I should actually probably correct her Wiki but I don't like Wikipedia so I'm not. And of course I read her book. I was very surprised by the wiki's claim of a man who Ms. Lomb based some of her methods on who just randomly took a Portugese book and eventually understood it. What the wiki failed to mention, I learned from reading her book, was that the man thought he understood but was pretty sure he couldn't do it again and he couldn't understand it spoken or write it himself. As for your "method" or "nonmethod" or whatever, I don't say it doesn't work, I say it needs some supplement or else it won't be very effctive. Some people want to learn many languages and they just don't have time to wait around for a movie that uses a word. So it's very wrong of you to say that "oh well someone who learned 17 languages did this" when she didn't. She used a faster method and used a dictionary. And she knew them at different levels of fluency too. SO I might not want to use the exact method she used for Romanian because she didn't have a high level of fluency in that. I would want to use the one she used for Russian. Another thing you haven't really mentioned is that many of the people who very easily learned a new language passively know another language in that family which makes it easier. The guy on the Japanese learning website you mentioned also does a lot more that you did not mention because it didn't prove your point. Besides, does anyone else here remember back when the tv thing wasn't as important and h333's method largely invovled sporadically using vocabulary in everyday life? In which case why on Earth wouldn't you use a dictionary. You can own the word by randomly sprinkling it into daily conversations. Which, while not being the worst idea in the world, I feel it necessary to note it'd be more effective and less weird if you add it to your inner dialogue instead. Then when you think the Swedish word for "tell" but say the English one, it gets more ingrained as to the way it should be said.
True, but as I said before, his focus is more on the possible therapeutic benefits of it. Read other articles and interviews by this man. I study this, it isn't a random hobby. And besides that, the brain needs help. It needs a framework to work with... People: Jeffery Schwartz' book is on Google Books in relative entirety. Look it up if you're interested. Heck just google him. Counterpoints to his theorie are included in his book because he isn't a selectivist.
THAT actually sounds VERY limiting, dude! Everytime I post in your thread I say, go ahead, you can do this but I think that your way will take longer than it needs to. Or that it has certain fallacies and that there are more effective areas to focus on. Or that it won't work well But I definitely don't say not to do it. I just think you should add other stuff to. By all means make a post on how you do your movie dissecting and why you think it helps. But don't make these weird sweeping posts on how it's the newly discovered road to fluency. Or that programs like Pimsleur hinder fluency (another limiting thing to say). Especially when for you fluency largely means being able to understand tv and chatting girls up at clubs. I hope people take their favorite bits from everyone's methods to attain a level of fluency they want. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| dmg Diglot Senior Member Canada dgryski.blogspot.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 7013 days ago 555 posts - 605 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Dutch, Esperanto | Message 51 of 67 18 July 2009 at 6:42am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Actually, I'm enjoying Ashley's well-crafted responses more than your unstructured ramblings ... but maybe that's just me.. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5737 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 52 of 67 18 July 2009 at 7:33am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
No, I think that's most of us.. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6680 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 53 of 67 18 July 2009 at 9:24am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Yep :D However, I would like to back up what someone else said here: TV is pretty much how kids in Scandinavia learn English. When I was 8, my family went to the US for two weeks, and I was able to speak English while there. I wasn't FLUENT, cause I remember not understanding a man who complimented me on my dress at some reception and not understanding my mom and the woman of the family we were visiting when they discussed a pasta salad. But I was able to buy chocolate in stores and talk with my Canadian aunt and others, and I remember having no difficulty in doing this. I think English in school started the next year. I wouldn't rely on TV now though. And yeah, my mom's an English teacher. :P 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| mrhenrik Triglot Moderator Norway Joined 6081 days ago 482 posts - 658 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, French Personal Language Map | Message 54 of 67 18 July 2009 at 9:45am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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For Scandinavian kids today at least, everything is in English. My sister could keep long conversations with my French uncle in English when she was 9/10. Obviously not conversations on nuclear physics and that kind of stuff, but basic things at least.
This is because of the complete immersion in the language though. Everything is subtitled, games are usually in English, advertisements on TV are in English, a lot of Scandinavians are holiday-lovers and speak English there. My point is, Scandinavians learn English from TV *as well*, not exclusively from TV. The time kids begin watching things in English on TV or speak English, or play English games is also quite close to the time they begin to learn English at school. It's an excellent supplement though. Edited by mrhenrik on 18 July 2009 at 3:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5911 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 55 of 67 18 July 2009 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
(Emphasis mine.) Maybe it's a Norwegian thing, but the quote above made me laugh. You just don't say stuff like that... :-) Dude, I hope you don't genuinely believe that the majority of people here will ditch what they've been doing because of your posts here. Now, you may have some good points to make, and by all means do what you want to study languages (although I personally find the apparent motives rather repulsive), but any valid point you want to make will benefit from you making it in a respectful manner. Negativity against other people will only detract from what you're trying to say... I don't think anyone here is all that impressed by your tone, though perhaps amused. You might want to rethink how you approach presenting things if you want people to take you seriously. Rock on, Ashley. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6449 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 56 of 67 18 July 2009 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Oh yeah? And Michel still sucks! You'll forgive me, I hope, for not reading this thread very carefully. My main point was that it IS possible to learn a language by watching TV and that TV gets dismissed too easily by teachers etc. Maybe they should also look into why most of their students suck at foreign languages. Beyond that, most of this thread is all rubbish thanks largely to the original poster. Even the title is almost embarrassing. Maybe he can also post "How I got my girlfriend fluent in only 4 months". Ashley, Kato was a crazy cookie and her book gives us only a few glimpses of this. Regarding dictionaries - she believed in challenging oneself in trying to figure out the meaning and she suggested using monolingual dictionaries "even at a very elementary level of language knowledge". "The first thing I’d like to tell my fellow language students is to use dictionaries. The second is not to abuse them." "Learning how to use the dictionary is the most urgent task of an ALL in regards to time, too. I would immediately put one into the hands of those dealing with “hieroglyphic” languages like Chinese or Japanese. Then I would take it away from them. And from other language students as well. Because in the initial—almost pre-linguistic—phase, a dictionary inspires thinking but later on, it positively makes you stop." 1 person has voted this message useful |
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