Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5900 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German
| Message 9 of 25 06 June 2009 at 8:24pm | IP Logged |
I love it.
I don't like spellings reforms at all. Phonetic spelling isn't historic and it's simple but ininspiring.
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Yukamina Senior Member Canada Joined 6266 days ago 281 posts - 332 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean, French
| Message 10 of 25 07 June 2009 at 1:38am | IP Logged |
I'm okay with English as it is, since I haven't had to study is as a foreign language.
Chinese and Japanese...I would like it if they were more consistant. Basically, I'd like a word to be read only one way. With Japanese at least, it gets quite confusing when I look up a word and there are 2+ ways of pronouncing/reading it, with no explanations. With Chinese(which I don't really know) I'd like it if function words like "of", "yet", "still", etc had their own unique hanzi.
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mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5926 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish
| Message 11 of 25 09 June 2009 at 8:59pm | IP Logged |
So far I've gotten good responses, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised that No, I like the spelling as it is got 21 votes; the highest so far. What is surprising for me is that although there are 11 votes for Yes, I want to write the same way I speak only dmg gave an explantion. I'm curious to know what the other ten people think.
Also, I thought about what is called eye dialect in English, where one would attempt to transcribe English words phonetically which can result in spellings like "wimmin" instead of women. An example from American literature might be Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" where he succeeds in writing in what he claims are five regional dialects. Eye dialect is problematic when reading out loud, because each individual person will pronounce words differently based on the unusual spelling and the new pronunciation may not convey the sounds that the author intended. Do similar problems arise in other languages that have spelling that is more historic than phonetic?
EDIT: I corrected a typing mistake in the first sentence and that is what some of the posts below refer to.
Edited by mick33 on 10 June 2009 at 7:17pm
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thnick Newbie United States Joined 5653 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 12 of 25 10 June 2009 at 1:19am | IP Logged |
I don't like the spelling of English. I would love some different characters in English though. I would love things like
Č for ch, Š for Sh and Þ for Th etc. I'd love little things like that would have words be a bit smaller and better to
spell I think.
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Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6036 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds
| Message 13 of 25 10 June 2009 at 2:23am | IP Logged |
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I don't mean to brag about it but is the phrase "so far I gotten" really a part of your lexicon? I see that you are a native speaker, yet this phrase strikes me as a very non-native thing to say. Would it not be more natural to say "so far I've got" or "so far I have" ? I don't say this in a provocative way I'm just curious; Maybe it's just an AE thing.
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I can't help you there because I'm one of those who voted for keeping the current spelling.
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ymapazagain Senior Member Australia myspace.com/amywiles Joined 6961 days ago 504 posts - 538 votes Speaks: English* Studies: SpanishB2
| Message 14 of 25 10 June 2009 at 4:41am | IP Logged |
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I don't mean to brag about it but is the phrase "so far I gotten" really a part of your lexicon? I see that you are a native speaker, yet this phrase strikes me as a very non-native thing to say. Would it not be more natural to say "so far I've got" or "so far I have" ? I don't say this in a provocative way I'm just curious; Maybe it's just an AE thing.
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This phrase (or many quite similar) is pretty common in Australia. I hope I don't offend mick, it's not my intention (!) but it's mostly used by those who are young and uneducated. I think it's recognised by most as bad grammar.
Saying that, an instance pops into my mind when I would probably use it...to say something along the lines of "I've gotten past this level" (in a computer game)...
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ymapazagain Senior Member Australia myspace.com/amywiles Joined 6961 days ago 504 posts - 538 votes Speaks: English* Studies: SpanishB2
| Message 15 of 25 10 June 2009 at 4:46am | IP Logged |
Oh, and I don't agree that English spelling should be changed or regulated in anyway. I think it should be accepted that irregular spelling is a feature of English, just like a lot of other languages have interesting features that we like or are attracted to.
It makes me think of the dumbing down mentality that is so strong these days. I have hideous visions of us all ritin lik dis n not bein abl 2 undrstnd nefing!
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mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5926 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish
| Message 16 of 25 10 June 2009 at 6:34pm | IP Logged |
ymapazagain wrote:
Sennin wrote:
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I don't mean to brag about it but is the phrase "so far I gotten" really a part of your lexicon? I see that you are a native speaker, yet this phrase strikes me as a very non-native thing to say. Would it not be more natural to say "so far I've got" or "so far I have" ? I don't say this in a provocative way I'm just curious; Maybe it's just an AE thing.
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This phrase (or many quite similar) is pretty common in Australia. I hope I don't offend mick, it's not my intention (!) but it's mostly used by those who are young and uneducated. I think it's recognised by most as bad grammar.
Saying that, an instance pops into my mind when I would probably use it...to say something along the lines of "I've gotten past this level" (in a computer game)... |
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I'm not offended; "so far I gotten" was a typing, and grammatical, mistake that I missed yesterday. I meant "so far I've gotten" or "so far I have". Thanks to both of you for proofreading my message.
By the way, I'm American and thus know very little about Australian English.
Edited by mick33 on 10 June 2009 at 7:17pm
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