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| mjcdchess Diglot Groupie United States Joined 6953 days ago 46 posts - 48 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 1 of 6 12 December 2008 at 10:48am | IP Logged |
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I think the enemy of the adult second language learner is visual. Language is an auditory acquired talent and if someone is trying to acquire language with activity involving the eyes that the eyes take a dominant role disturbing the process of proper listening.
A good example is those folks who purchase a film in a language they are trying to learn and use subtitles in there spoken language while watching the film to attempt to learn. The seeing of visual cues as well as reading the subtitles does not allow proper listening to take place. They are however on the right track.. what they need to to is buy a movie with a sound track in their spoken language as well as another track in the language they want to learn. For a good example I will use the Movie "The Sound of Music". A bit of an explanation of acquiring vocabulary is necessary before further proceeding. Consider the following vocabulary list White Hello Dog Cat Eating Said For To first translate these into another language and then study them ... lets say with flash cards is a laborious task but necessary if you want to learn the other language. I would say these are necessary words to know. Well when you do this you first have to remember the words in English and then make some association to remember the target word in another language. An example would be "White = Blanca ( perhaps associate a white blanket ) What is interesting here is that you have to remember two things at once for each item on the list as well as having to associate something with each one for however long the list is as well as the pronunciation. Using a flash card of course means no audio so you are visually trying to learn something that is really audio. Of course you could have a talking dictionary and have it speak to you but you still have to remember the list to keep studying it. This is a traditional way but as we know has met with very little success without a lot of hard work. Lets consider another vocabulary list. This one a bit longer but you already know it I am sure. The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Music Songs They Have Sung For a Thousand Years. I think you will agree that a huge amount of people will require no memorization of this list and can repeat it verbatim at will. It is also very firmly attached if you will in the brain so it is by it self something good to associate things with. I think you will also have experienced the non spoken music and sound effects that are present ( Julie Andrews twirling her arms in the field and singing etc..) You also remember whatever emotions the film stirs as well. We are at step one ... You need to listen to the film in your spoken language without watching the film just like an old time radio show. Get into it feel the emotion and above all listen. You need not make any effort to memorize it or anything just go ahead and listen. We are at Step two. Now listen to the movie in the language you are trying to learn. Do not be concerned that the tracks may have language errors and what you will find happening is you will begin experiencing the film in that language. You simply need to then repeat step one and step two over and over and what happens is quite by accident you tend to memorize the film in your own language and begin to overlay the other language on top of yours. Many people can repeat verbatim lines from films they enjoy anyway. I have found that what happens is each time through the film in your own language you pick up small detail of the spoken film ( missed because your vision interfered originally ) Then bit by bit you start to associate vocabulary and it comes easy because you only have to learn one thing at a time. In addition you learn idioms and long chunks of language. Your whole auditory system as well as your feeling and emotions get into the process and the advancement is rapid. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6909 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes  5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 2 of 6 12 December 2008 at 1:48pm | IP Logged |
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Well, it's a nice method and it probably works well for some people. However, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work for me. I'm lucky / unlucky to be a visual learner. I do listen pretty much to audio to improve my listening comprehension but I don't really use audio-based methods to repeat vocabulary (or I try to supplement them with additional visual means like scripts). Nor am I one of those people who know many movie lines by heart. On the contrary, flashcards work great to me and I think they're more effective as they require much less time then repeating the same movie audio track again at again. It's also more interesting (I guess, it's not a popular opinion, though ;)).
But everyone has to find the method that works for him. Good luck with your languages :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Brandon7s Newbie United States Joined 5867 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 3 of 6 21 December 2008 at 5:51am | IP Logged |
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I am also a very visual learner. I can hear something many many times over, but unless I see it written, there's an very high chance that I'll forget it within a few minutes.
I think this explains why I cannot recite lyrics from memory at all... 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6017 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 4 of 6 22 December 2008 at 7:16am | IP Logged |
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I think it's easy to confuse have a near-photographic memory with being a so-called "visual learner".
If you have a photographic memory, you don't need to "learn" things -- you can memorise the image and recall it when needed very easily. This discourages your brain from ever learning it. But why do you memorise it in the first place? Normally because your brain doesn't have the prior experience that allows it to internalise it and truly learn it -- what you're trying to learn is too big. Take for example the French question Comment t'appelles tu? This is pretty complex stuff: verb-subject inversion (tu appelles -> appelles tu); reflexive verb/pronoun use; object pronoun preceding verb. A lot of this I didn't learn until my fifth year of study, yet Comment t'appelles tu? was "taught" to me in one of my first few lessons. I couldn't learn it because I had no meaningful structure against which to do so, so I was forced to memorise it. If you have to resort to a particular sensory "channel", then you are most probably memorising, not learning, and you need to adjust the input to "learnable" things rather than "memorisable" ones.* *Just in case you're wondering, from the sample lesson it would appear that the so-called Learnables(R) course is all "memorisable" language and not "learnable" stuff at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| gorkem_turkish Triglot Newbie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5822 days ago 25 posts - 26 votes Speaks: Turkish*, English, Mandarin Studies: Spanish | Message 5 of 6 22 December 2008 at 7:57am | IP Logged |
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i think our eyes are better than our ears at memorizing. however none of these organs(methods) is enough without each other.when the visual information and the corresponding sound comes together, when they match, an easier learning happens
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| mjcdchess Diglot Groupie United States Joined 6953 days ago 46 posts - 48 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 6 of 6 22 December 2008 at 5:13pm | IP Logged |
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I do not really think you are memorizing anything with this method. It just seems to be easy to remember the spoken parts of a film after you have listened to it. Therefore you do not need to comit that portion to memory by any great deal of effort at it. When then you listen to the same movie in your target language the native language is remembered without having to refer to it when you are listening. It is a wonderful vocabulary builder for me. It builds entire phrases instead of individual words. I really think any visual input is counter productive
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