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Juan M.
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 Message 41 of 202
12 April 2009 at 4:18am | IP Logged 
Only someone who hasn't spent any time talking and listening to a woman can believe there is anything they can't do.
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Bao
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 Message 42 of 202
12 April 2009 at 4:33am | IP Logged 
I still have to work on my urinal usage, though.

.... okay now that was gross.
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Fasulye
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 Message 43 of 202
12 April 2009 at 8:22am | IP Logged 
zocurtis wrote:
aYa wrote:
Men tend to be YouTube performing monkeys, just to show off, whereas women prefer to get things done quietly.


That's not nice... Those Youtube videos are very helpful and inspirational. I know many people would not think they had the ability to learn foreign languages if not for those videos. Prof. Arguelles, Moses, Luca, Stu Jay Raj, Steve Kauffman and many others do a great job. I'm sure it's not merely for show.


Aya, your quote "YouTube performing monkeys" is not fair, because Prof. Arguelles and the others invest a lot of work in their to inspire others in their language learning for example by explaining their learning techniques. To show off is not their intention, as far as I know Prof. Arguelles and Moses Mc Cormick. As I cannot meet them personally, I feel at least inspired by their videos.

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Fasulye
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 Message 44 of 202
12 April 2009 at 8:39am | IP Logged 
Vai wrote:
women almost categorically perform worse in language classes that i've seen. i suspect this is because while they are drawn to other cultures for their fashion and food they lack the dedication and genuine interest in learning its language.


As I have been a language learner doing classes all my life, I can estimate how people perform in classes. I don't see any difference between the PERFORMANCE of men and women there. My opinion is also is that the language learning abilties of men and women are equal, generally speaking. If you want to become a polyglot, this is always a personal choice. And I have noticed that only few women make such a choice. This is a phenonemon.

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Edited by Fasulye on 12 April 2009 at 8:42am

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Fasulye
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 Message 46 of 202
12 April 2009 at 9:01am | IP Logged 
aYa wrote:
Fasulye wrote:
   when I compare myself with my sister and my sister-in-law who are both married with small children and having part-time jobs, it is very obvious that they couldn't develop any intellectual endeavours like I can.

Fasulye-Babylonia


What's so intellectual about learning a language?

NOTHING.


It depends on how you learn and what you do with languages. People in my adult evening courses only wanted to go on holidays in for example France or Turkey. And they wanted to have a relaxing evening whithout any hard work. They did not study at home and didn't learn the vocabulary. Grammar they found boring. I couldn't see much intellectual interest. So you cannot generalize.

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Edited by Fasulye on 12 April 2009 at 10:25am

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lady_skywalker
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 Message 47 of 202
12 April 2009 at 10:29am | IP Logged 
Fasulye wrote:
Vai wrote:
women almost categorically perform worse in language classes that i've seen. i suspect this is because while they are drawn to other cultures for their fashion and food they lack the dedication and genuine interest in learning its language.


As I have been a language learner doing classes all my life, I can estimate how people perform in classes. I don't see any difference between the PERFORMANCE of men and women there. My opinion is also is that the language learning abilties of men and women are equal, generally speaking. If you want to become a polyglot, this is always a personal choice. And I have noticed that only few women make such a choice. This is a phenonemon.

Fasulye-Babylonia


If we're going to make sweeping generalisations, one could point to the large number of men who try to learn Japanese because they're obsessed with anime and manga or those men who learn Thai or Mandarin to "get chicks". ;)

I don't know any women who have learnt (or tried learning) a language just to chat about food or a handbag and, conversely, I can't see why it would be a problem for a women to enjoy French cuisine or Italian fashion and not know a word in either language. Not everyone is interested in learning a foreign language, let alone several. I know plenty of women AND men who are happy being monolingual. We all have our own tastes and abilities...

My language classes at university were quite evenly balanced in terms of gender and performance. There was one man who spoke flawless Mandarin by the end of the 4 years but we put it down to the fact that he always had a Chinese girlfriend to practice with and spent every summer holiday in China or Taiwan. In some ways, it seemed that the men in my class had the advantage during our year abroad as they had to fend off the number of women who wanted to talk and be with them. None of us girls could find a Chinese boyfriend.. ;)

Back on topic....I can't really say why there seem to be fewer female polyglots. I've met a lot of women who can speak one, maybe two, foreign languages fluently but I haven't met many women offline who can speak several languages well, let alone fluently. Having said that, I have an Indian colleague who marvels at the fact that I studied Mandarin and can speak Dutch, even though she can speak English, Bengali, Hindi and several other Indian languages. Maybe it just depends on your circle of friends and acquintances. This forum is not representative of the whole world, after all. :)
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