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| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5708 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 33 of 56 22 April 2009 at 9:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Apparently you were too flushed with heat at the idea of being vulgar that you didn''t understand what was being said. No one was talking about sleeping with transsexuals making one homosexual or not. What was said by someone is that ladyboys are well accepted, therefore gays should be well accepted. Another countered that ladyboys are not the same as regular homosexual men. What they were trying to explain is that, yes ok, they do have sex with men but sometimes homosexuality amongst men who choose to live in general society is maligned and forbidden while others who are comfortable with living on the outskirts such as the ladyboys or, for another example, in India "the third sex". These homosexuals are allowed as long as they are not a part of everyday society. Therefore a society that allows these people might NOT accept a gay man of just the "regular person, not flamboyant" variety. Next time please try to get your jollies out before you post, Maximus. Obviously you become unneccesarily vulgar. Please everyone, back to the topic at hand. Edited by Ashley_Victrola on 22 April 2009 at 9:19am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6680 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 34 of 56 22 April 2009 at 10:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Örnsköldsvik is a rather small place yes, so that may have something to do with it. I've only ever been there to go to their "paradise bath" and while passing through, so I've never experienced the city in itself ;) Umeå is like 30% students, so it's a rather modern place. But I have never heard anything about any trouble for gay people up north, this is the first time I've heard it mentioned. I can't really say much about it though, since I'm not gay and have no gay friends that far up north! However, if we can perhaps assume that being a University city helps, then Luleå is one as well, and it's way up north. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6751 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 35 of 56 22 April 2009 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes. Sorry Officer! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6036 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 36 of 56 22 April 2009 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Maximus, if you continue using certain keywords in your posts, next thing we know all the banners on this forum will switch to a different type of advertisement ^_^. Edited by Sennin on 22 April 2009 at 5:12pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeito Triglot Groupie United States Joined 5819 days ago 55 posts - 63 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Mandarin, German, Italian, Portuguese | Message 37 of 56 11 May 2009 at 5:32am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As one of the world's leading penile anthropologists, I feel that I can add theoretical and experiential knowledge to this discussion. First, I have lived for extended periods in Europe, Pakistan, and South America and traveled extensively everywhere but Eastern Europe.
Each place has had public attitudes and private behavior about homosexuality which may be vastly divergent. The way that cultures usually try to control "deviant" (I use that word in the strictest sociological sense of "not go along the the program that everybody else signed up for") behavior, is by the use of guilt or the use of shame. Guilt-based cultures tend to try and make you feel...well, guilty for not doing what everybody else is doing. They tell you are damaged; that you are a sinner; that you will go to hell; that you are breaking your poor mother's heart. All in an effort to get you to stop doing what you are doing and start doing what they want you to. Guilt-based cultures tend to focus on individual behavior they won't necessarily blame your family if you turn out to be a poof. Leastwise, not these days. But shame-based cultures are another story. Shame-based cultures place an enormous emphasis on the concept of masculinity, honor and dignity and they tend to paint with a broad brush. If you do something wrong, then you bring shame to your family, your village, your ethnic group. Whew, you just don't want to do that, cause somebody's gonna be pissed off and take it out on you. That's how they control behavior. But here's the really interesting part. In shame-based cultures if nobody knows you did something wrong...there's no out and no foul. Shame only happens when other people know about it. So you can have a whopping good time when nobody is looking. Guilt, on the other hand, stays with you even in your most private activities causing failure to launch at the critical moment. No culture, is of course, purely one of the other, but guilt or shame will usually predominate. The rule of thumb is you need to be most aware of your public behavior in shame-based cultures since PUBLIC BEHAVIOR and not PRIVATE BEHAVIOR is the basis of social control and has the capacity to bring shame to a larger group. These are the cultures that deal most harshly with "deviant" behavior (still in the sociological sense) once it is out in the open. I have more to say on the matter, but I don't want to bore. Edited by Jeito on 12 May 2009 at 11:54pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| nissimb Tetraglot Groupie India tenjikuyamato.blogsp Joined 6416 days ago 79 posts - 102 votes Speaks: Marathi*, Hindi, English, Japanese Studies: Korean, Esperanto, Indonesian | Message 38 of 56 11 May 2009 at 5:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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But here's the really interesting part. In shame-based cultures if nobody knows you did something wrong...there's no out and no foul. Shame only happens when other people know about it. So you can have whopping good time when nobody is looking. Guilt, on the other hand, stays with you even in your most private activities causing failure to launch at the critical moment. No culture, is of course, purely one of the other, but guilt or shame will usually predominate.
Absolutely correct. That is what I (coming from India, a guilt-based culture) observed during three years of my stay in Japan, a shame-based culture. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5784 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 39 of 56 11 May 2009 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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On the transexuals being OK and homos not issue: its quite weird stuff.
In Iran being transexual is perfectly fine and getting a sex change is totally possible (though wearing girls clothes when still a hole man is not) We all though however what they think of gays. Which is rather nasty for gay men. It makes me wonder if any of them have ever been forced into being transexual to be with the one they love. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| MichaelJ Newbie United States Joined 5999 days ago 19 posts - 20 votes Studies: Spanish | Message 40 of 56 12 May 2009 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Jeito - You omitted Lie-Based Cultures that tell you any behavior is normal and healthy. In order to control your thoughts they come up with loaded terms such as "homo-phobia". Thus labeling anyone who disagrees with them as having irrational fears (mental illness). The interesting thing is that a Lie-Based Culture still has it's moral barometer that is conveniently set slightly below it's most vocal advocates. Over time the bar continues to lower by "normalizing" (through tolerance at first) more questionable behavior. It is yet to be seen how low the bar can go (what behavior will be seen as normal and healthy). Michael 1 person has voted this message useful |
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