cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5840 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 1 of 17 08 May 2009 at 12:06pm | IP Logged |
I was just chatting to a friend of mine here in London who is from the Alsace region in France. Although French is her native tongue, she speaks German like a native too.
Chatting to her while being logged on to this site made me think that her situation could be considered enviable. In what other parts of Europe and the world are regular people more or less bilingual?
Is this generally a good thing or are there any disadvantages? Do people always have a stronger language, or can they be 100% bilingual with no preference?
Here are the areas or larger cities that I can think of where REGULAR people, (not academics) tend to be bilingual. Correct me if you think I am wrong, or add to the list!
1) Brussels (Dutch/French)
2) West coast of Finland (Swedish/Finnish)
3) The Basques and Catalan in Spain
4) Bern, CH and some other places in Switzerland, I think. (German/French)
5) The Ukraine (Ukrainian/Russian)
6) Riga in Latvia, I think. (Latvian/Russian)
7) Singapore (Chinese/English)
8) French Canadians (French/English)
9) Places like Tunis in North Africa (??) (Arabic/French)
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jimbo Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6296 days ago 469 posts - 642 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin, Korean, French Studies: Japanese, Latin
| Message 2 of 17 08 May 2009 at 12:23pm | IP Logged |
1. Taiwan - Mandarin/Taiwanese or Mandarin/Hakka or Mandarin/Hakka/Taiwanese
2. Lots of places in China - Mandarin/Local "dialect"
3. Malaysia - Malay/English or (Mandarin and/or Chinese dialect + English + Malay)
4. Indonesia - Indonesian/(insert local language here)
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Recht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5803 days ago 241 posts - 270 votes Speaks: English*, GermanB1
| Message 3 of 17 08 May 2009 at 2:15pm | IP Logged |
Western Ireland, Irish/English
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Fat-tony Nonaglot Senior Member United Kingdom jiahubooks.co.uk Joined 6142 days ago 288 posts - 441 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian, Esperanto, Thai, Laotian, Urdu, Swedish, French Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian, Arabic (Written), Armenian, Pali, Burmese
| Message 4 of 17 08 May 2009 at 2:30pm | IP Logged |
I think bi/multilingualism is the norm in the world. China, India, Indonesia,
Pakistan, S-E Asia, Africa, the US (how many speak a different language at home?)-
that's most of the world's population, I think, where speaking more than one language
is normal.
Monolingual Standard Thai/Lao/Burmese/Khmer speakers are quite rare, most will speak
at least a closely related language at home.
Africa is similar, virtually everyone will speak some kind of lingua franca, whether a
European language (French, English etc), or African/Arabic (Swahili, Hausa etc), and
use a variety of other languages in different parts of everyday life.
Pakistan is another example, everyone speaks Urdu but only a very small minority
(Mohajirs) are monolingual. Everyone else speaks Punjabi (Mirpuri, Potwari etc),
Sindhi, Pashto or Balochi at home. India is similar, although there is a larger
proportion of monolingual speakers.
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snovymgodom Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5727 days ago 136 posts - 149 votes Speaks: English*, Russian
| Message 5 of 17 08 May 2009 at 2:41pm | IP Logged |
In Kazakhstan, most Kazakhs are bilingual in Kazakh and Russian. The levels of each depend on age and country - some of the younger Kazakhs in big cities don't know Kazakh very well and just use Russian to communicate, while in smaller towns with smaller Russian populations Kazakh is the dominant language. This is true in most of the other former Soviet republics as well, like Uzbekistan (Uzbek/Russian), Tajikistan (Tajik/Uzbek/Persian/Russian), Turkmenistan (Turkmen/Russian), Azerbaijan, etc.
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Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5784 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish
| Message 6 of 17 08 May 2009 at 2:45pm | IP Logged |
In Amsterdam even the homeless speak perfect English.
With Brussels....its not so bilingual. I know a few people from Brussels and they speak quite awful Dutch. Their English is better.
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Only in the dream's of 'Irish'-Americans. Only in very small areas is this the case. A tiny percentage f the population.
Better is western Wales but even there its not 100%
Edited by Tyr on 08 May 2009 at 2:47pm
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Recht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5803 days ago 241 posts - 270 votes Speaks: English*, GermanB1
| Message 7 of 17 08 May 2009 at 3:21pm | IP Logged |
Tyr wrote:
In Amsterdam even the homeless speak perfect English.
With Brussels....its not so bilingual. I know a few people from Brussels and they
speak quite awful Dutch. Their English is better.
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Only in the dream's of 'Irish'-Americans. Only in very small areas is this the case. A
tiny percentage f the population.
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I'm not an Irish American. Good try though.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Cainteoir í_Gaeilge_-
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I'm also pretty sure homeless people in Amsterdam don't speak perfect English.
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Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7158 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish
| Message 8 of 17 08 May 2009 at 4:07pm | IP Logged |
Other possibilities are:
Israel: Hebrew + Arabic (think Arab-Israelis)
Slovakia: Czech + Slovak or Slovak + Hungarian (or sometimes all three)
Romania (usually in Transylvania among Hungarians, Szeklers or Csangos): Hungarian + Romanian
Former Yugoslavia: Serbo-Croatian (one of BCMS) + one of Albanian, Bulgarian, Macedonian or Slovenian (function of whether the speaker lives near the border of Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia or Slovenia respectively)
Latin America outside Brazil: Spanish + local minority language (e.g. Mapudungun in Chile; Nahuatl in Mexico; Guaraní in Paraguay)
Brazil: Portuguese + local minority language (e.g. Kaingang)
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