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| Jerrod Senior Member United States Joined 6343 days ago 168 posts - 176 votes  Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 9 of 21 23 February 2007 at 3:14am | IP Logged |
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Hi Serpent, I will check out those bands, thanks.
I am glad a native speaker found some of those questions hard. :) I downloaded the 5,000 word dictionary on the net. I am deleting all the words minus the verbs. I bought a book of the 600 verbs used on the exam, with the full forms. At the back is 6 165 question tests, and 6 texts with out the verbs. There is an answer key. I am taking the verbs from the frequency dictionary, looking them up, and memorizing 10 per day. I will continue this till the end of March. That should give me, around 300 verbs. I'll update you all as this progresses and how GLOSS is going. I had to move GLOSS to the start of March as well due to personal reasons. Of interest this 5,000 word dictionary (outdated but worth while) is really only about 2,500 words. Why? Because it includes both verbs as different words. Moreover, it includes the verb, adjective, and noun as different words. So if you know 'to read' (both verbs), then reader and reading are easy to make once you know the basic grammar. If you want to get really down to it, if you remove cognates (since they are trivial to learn) you are down to about 2,000 words to understand 82% of material! с праздником! Well I am going on vacation, I deserve it. I learned 60 words this week! I hope to study some! Novgorod, here I come! Jerrod 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Jerrod Senior Member United States Joined 6343 days ago 168 posts - 176 votes Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 10 of 21 14 March 2007 at 1:56am | IP Logged |
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Well it's March 14 and I am not at the stage I had wished to be. I had a bad cold that put me down for over a week.
I have reached several milestones that I am happy with though. I have learned 100 verbs (both imperfective and perfective) and the full conjugations. I have completed GLOSS level 2 culture and added about 300 new words. I am using Mnemosyne and I am having great success. In fact, 2 days in a row I have had dreams in Russian. One was the most vivid I have ever had. The funny thing is they both involved Mnemosyne lol. Two days ago my girlfriend commented that I was using more advanced words, which I hadn't realized. I have also noticed that I am speaking faster than all my classmates. I am also understanding more and more of the news. All of this leads me to believe that I am nearing the advanced intermediate stage. If things continue like this, I may reach the basic stages of advanced before returning to the USA. In my grammar class we have started on the verbs of motion using an excellent textbook. My plan for the rest of the month is to continue working on verbs and hopefully reach 200 by April 1. I will also continue with GLOSS but at a slower pace not 50 words per day, maybe 20. I want to concentrate on listening more and plan to watch the news for at least an hour every morning. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6437 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 21 14 March 2007 at 2:31pm | IP Logged |
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Мо-ло-дец!!! :)
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| Jerrod Senior Member United States Joined 6343 days ago 168 posts - 176 votes Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 12 of 21 15 March 2007 at 1:38pm | IP Logged |
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Hey Serpent, thanks!
I have been working through the 5000 most common words in Russian. I am so shocked at how few words I know from there. The file is about 80 pages and as I work my way through, cutting what I know, I am only down to 67 pages and I am on с! At least it does make me feel better that the words are included in all the forms. I.e. существенный adj существо noun существование noun существовать verb существующий adj Oh well. I will continue working through it and GLOSS. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6437 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 13 of 21 15 March 2007 at 3:21pm | IP Logged |
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I can't remember when I last used any of these words...
It's a bit strange they included существующий btw. It's not really an adjective, but a participle. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Jerrod Senior Member United States Joined 6343 days ago 168 posts - 176 votes Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 14 of 21 16 March 2007 at 1:30am | IP Logged |
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Hi Serpent,
The list is at http://www.artint.ru/projects/frqlist/frqlist-en.asp if you ever want to check it out. For one the list is old and does include many unuseful terms (like KGB, now FSB). If you choose selectively though, this list is decent for verbs and adjs. I agree with you that the participle is not needed. I think the reason that it is here, is due to the fact that the list was compiled from old texts. I am really just using it for verbs, though. If you do check the list out, please give me your opinion. Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6437 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 15 of 21 16 March 2007 at 8:08am | IP Logged |
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overall that's quite a good list, although I checked the one in the frequency order and the order is somewhat strange. also you need a good dictionary to work with this list, because eg око is an old-fashioned word and is used only in fixed expressions, жрать is a very colloquial word and ихний is absolutely incorrect and sounds very uneducated. most words are neutral though.
I don't mean that the participle shouldn't be there because it's not used, but just because it's formed absolutely regularly (quite rare for Russian, I suppose). In general I'd say participles are mostly used when they denote a quality of something, not a state at a particular moment. But it's never a mistake to use a clause instead of a participle, so when not sure I'd advise to do so. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Jerrod Senior Member United States Joined 6343 days ago 168 posts - 176 votes Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 16 of 21 23 March 2007 at 1:19am | IP Logged |
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Today is a great day for me (besides the fact it is 10C outside, Friday, and the sun is out, odd for SPB). I believe, along with my girlfriend, that I have reached high intermediate status!
I am understanding the news more and more (which is very good as they speak so fast), I have learned about 600 words so far this month (with most active), and I have finished the texts of level 2 GLOSS culture (my goal was all of level two but that is not possible due to other factors). Last night I had a dream in Russian, the weird thing was when I woke up I kept thinking in Russian and talking to myself about it. I had this weird feeling, almost like it was natural. Long term goals: If things continue like this, I may be able to get to basic advanced before July 4. I have two more classes in the US ending in December, and I hope to reach medium advanced at the end of this. Since my wife is Russian (though she is fluent in English), we will speak only Russian, and watch mostly Russian TV. This will give me a chance to turn my attention to Spanish sometime in Jan 2008. Good day! Edited by Jerrod on 27 March 2007 at 10:35am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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