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| jimbo Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6295 days ago 469 posts - 642 votes  Speaks: English*, Mandarin, Korean, French Studies: Japanese, Latin | Message 25 of 70 20 March 2010 at 3:14am | IP Logged | |||||
I find the same thing but less grueling once you know seven hundred characters or so. I think it is really not an issue once you know two or three thousand characters. I find knowing the characters well makes learning new vocabulary easier. Of course, in Chinese there is always some rare character that only comes up one time in one well known classical essay but that is what dictionaries are for. For me, the challenge is the multiple pronunciations per character in Japanese. I just need to work through it but I've been suffering from a bit of wanderlust for the past few years and haven't been able to concentrate on Japanese. Edited by jimbo on 20 March 2010 at 3:15am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jimbo Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6295 days ago 469 posts - 642 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin, Korean, French Studies: Japanese, Latin | Message 26 of 70 20 March 2010 at 3:43am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm feeling old all of a sudden. Your comment reminds me of the observation that "in Korea, only old people use e-mail". RE: Dropping (or at least sharply reducing) the usage of Chinese characters in modern Korean I'd say this is still an ongoing area to watch. Given their major trading partners and the historical importance of Chinese characters in Korean, many parents still want their kids to learn the characters and many employers find it an asset as well. I think it was the way Chinese characters were taught in Korea that was a big part of the problem. Another problem was that some guys loved to show off how smart they were by writing as many obscure characters as possible when they were not needed. RE: Fluent vs. Educated I don't think one needs to know Chinese characters in Korean (Hanja) to be considered fluent in Korean. I DO think one must know them to be considered educated. (No intention to offend but a high percentage of Korean scholarly material written in the past sixty years has a lot of Chinese characters in it. If you can't access it; it is a pity.) RE: The difficulty of ancient Chinese It obviously depends on the time period and the type of documents you are looking to read but it really isn't THAT hard. Every Chinese person with a high school education should be able to read something like the Shǐjì (史記) "Records of the Grand Historian" without much difficulty, for example. RE: Buy one, get the next one at 30% off I did it the wrong way... I started a bunch of East Asian languages at the same time. Better to pick one, learn it to a high level, and move on to another. Yes, knowing one definitely helps if you decide to learn another. Trying to do several of them at the same time was overwhelming. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5784 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 27 of 70 20 March 2010 at 9:24am | IP Logged | |||||
While there are listed 名乗り (readings for names), remember that a parent can give any reading to any character in their child's name they like so long as the character appears on the 人名漢字 list. 生 has about 20 official readings, more than doubling to over 40 if you include names. If you learn just 5 of those readings (セイ、ショウ、いきる、うむ、なま) you will be fine in most situations. It is OK to ask somebody how to pronounce their name. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5736 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 28 of 70 20 March 2010 at 9:39am | IP Logged | |||||
Lol? Okay, that is really weird. They can choose the characters they like for their kids, and nobody can possibly know how to pronounce the name?! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6769 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 29 of 70 20 March 2010 at 11:39am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've heard that weird name readings with no precedent can be rejected at the discretion of the family register's
office when registering the birth. I've also seen people with name kanji that weren't on the joyo list or the official names list. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5784 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 30 of 70 20 March 2010 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
Ahh, Japanese bureaucracy... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5465 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 31 of 70 21 March 2010 at 7:19am | IP Logged | |||||
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I have a friend called 摂. Any guesses as to the pronunciation?
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| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5736 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 32 of 70 21 March 2010 at 7:21am | IP Logged | |||||
why, "Shè", of course! :P 1 person has voted this message useful |
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