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| Gamauyun Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5637 days ago 26 posts - 36 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Romanian, German | Message 17 of 25 24 April 2010 at 5:12am | IP Logged | |||||
The Icelandic Saga Database, among some other sites, have a number of the sagas available with at least modern Icelandic spelling. I can't comment on how archaic the actual structure or word choice is though. Egil's Saga http://sagadb.org/egils_saga List of Sagas Available http://sagadb.org/index_az Edited by Gamauyun on 24 April 2010 at 5:13am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| quendidil Diglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 6301 days ago 126 posts - 142 votes  Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: Japanese | Message 18 of 25 24 April 2010 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
Personally I've found that the SRS work is the key thing in the AJATT method. Immersion in the media of the language is most helpful in getting an understanding of the language in actual use, but if you depend on that alone/predominantly, it'd be extremely slow. I know the theory of different forms of learning is popular among some quarters, but scientifically, auditory memory has been shown to be shorter than visual memory; along with that statistically, the more interesting words in a movie/episode of a show exist as hapax legomena and are difficult to learn purely through context. This goes back to comprehensible input, you'd really get the most out of immersion in media when you've got an understanding of the basic lexicon and grammar. I'm assuming by media you mean TV, films and music though, if you include reading, it'd be quite different. Of course, the above refers to immersion in the media alone, rather in interaction with native or at least highly fluent speakers. The latter would be likely far more effective, depending on the social circumstances and the learner's own motivations. In short, what I'm saying is that (immersion with native speaker interaction) > (SRS work) > (immersion in media alone) in terms of efficacy. I've followed Khatzumoto's blog for a few years now, I actually get the feeling he has "mellowed" over time and downplayed some of the older SRS strategies - for instance, from rewriting every single sentence/phrase you see on a rep to rewriting the ones you get wrong to not rewriting at all. Of course it's really down to personal preference and needs for this; it might not be necessary for languages with reasonably phonetic orthographies, but is useful for learning kanji pronunciations in Japanese. Edited by quendidil on 24 April 2010 at 2:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Zeitgeist21 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5634 days ago 156 posts - 192 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 19 of 25 24 April 2010 at 4:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I see what you mean but I disagree on a few points, I think the immersion is meant to go hand in hand with the SRS; the whole point being that you take sentences you see from real life that you like and that you can relate to both in context and also your sense of taste. The SRS is meant to help you get the vocab from things you enjoy so that you enjoy the SRSing and also to reinforce what you learn through your immersion; to make it more efficient.
And with immersion with native speakers I disagree, it helps definitely and it is faster with some aspects but it will only take you so far; most people don't use that wide a variety of vocabulary when they talk and if you want to develop a more advanced vocabulary and register then I think the media is kinda necessary. Also speaking with too little preparation (be it from courses or immersion or other self-study) can often lead to the reinforcement of mistakes; especially if you're immersed socially and have social pressure to speak early. It's always possible to grow out of these mistakes, but early on when you have to express everything with too little grammar and vocab then they are too many mistakes for people to correct (unless you're paying them :D). Of course you can grow out of this but it just makes things a little bit harder. The best way I think is to combine all three =) And yeah I do mean the written word too (though I personally found books a bit hard at the beginning ;) ). If I had a choice I would play down the reading until you've got used to the sounds though, reading is less pleasant when you have to guess the pronunciation all the time and when you read with a thick accent. And for SRS you kinda need the written word anyway ;) Although I suppose you could do without... EDIT: Summary: 1)Speaking is good for getting used to using what you know, learning slang and general reinforcing 2) Media is good for getting a wide view of different registers, accents, vocab, developing a feel for usage without having to "taint" the input with your own "impure" output ;) Also there is no pressure to understand or speak which helps, at least I learn best without stress =) 3)SRS is amazing at making you not forget any of the above ^^ Edited by WillH on 24 April 2010 at 4:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Zeitgeist21 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5634 days ago 156 posts - 192 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 20 of 25 24 April 2010 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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By the way I don't want to get in the whole debate about whether speaking is bad so I thought I might need to clarify ^^ Speaking is good for making you better at using what you already know, but by definition you can't learn anything by speaking you use what you already know.
Correction is really useful but in normal conversations people don't correct you because 1) They don't want to hurt your feelings 2) If they understood what you meant then it just slows down the convo and takes away the flow if they correct you You can learn alot from what they say back to you in convos though, but that is again limited to the one persons vocabulary and if you want to be able to develop your own register that represents you well you need to hear a wide variety of sources and to pick and choose what you want to use, whether that be consciously or subconsciously, and it's easier to do this through immersion in media than through conversations (though still possible with people, just a bit harder). Although the best way to go in general, is to learn from everything you can; people, media and SRS =) EDIT: Wow, I had alot of mistakes in that post! I missed out words, wrote some nonsense while I was singing along to a song, misconjugated verbs... I hope I don't normally write like that! :D Edited by WillH on 24 April 2010 at 4:46pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5309 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 21 of 25 12 May 2010 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm also toying with the 10K method and created a quick & dirty macro that converts an SRT file to a plain text file. (It removes the timecodes, html & font tags and unwraps the lines so that each line contains just one or two sentences.)
You could get both the English and the Icelandic SRT subtitles for a well-know movie, convert the SRT files to text files, copy each one of them to a spreadsheet column and re-align the dialogs that don't match. Then all you'd have to do is save the file as a tab delimited text file and import it into Anki or Mnemosyne. Do this for 9-10 movies and you have your 10K sentences. Edited by Doitsujin on 12 May 2010 at 7:21pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kubelek Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland chomikuj.pl/Kuba_wal Joined 6841 days ago 415 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishC2, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 22 of 25 12 May 2010 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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subs2srs kind of does that, for those of us who don't know what a macro is :)
It lets you do more though: cut out short audio clips of those sentences, and take a snapshot of that moment and create an anki card out of all of these elements. If you know how to set it up, it does it automatically. I've never tried it, so I can't say how easy or how hard it is. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| hvorki_ne Groupie Joined 5375 days ago 72 posts - 79 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Icelandic | Message 23 of 25 12 May 2010 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don't know how to make macros- is there any way you can send what you used to me? (I use a mac, though, that's apparently a seriously limiting factor)
Also, although I don't know if this is true in other languages, but I know in English it's difficult to tell when to correct. Unless I can tell what sounds wrong and why, I won't correct simply because I don't want to correct inaccurately. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5309 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 24 of 25 13 May 2010 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
I looked at the description of srs2anki and it looks very powerful, but also a bit complicated.
I uploaded my quick and dirty perl script to Rapidshre: http://rapidshare.com/files/386925363/SRT2TXT.ZIP.html Since it's written in Perl it should work on all platforms that Perl supports. AFAIK, Mac OS and Linux come pre-installed with Perl, so all you'd have to do is copy the Perl script and the SRT files that you want to convert to the same folder and run the script with the name of the .srt file as the parameter. (There's a mini readme in the .zip file.) Since I'm not a programmer, the script is rather trivial and not very elegant, but it works for me. Please note that it can only convert one .srt file to a .txt file at a time. I.e. you'd have to process both the English and Icelandic SRT files with it and manually align the .txt files in a spreadsheet program. Since this is a Perl script, it requires some Terminal skills. I.e. you need to know how to open a Mac OS Terminal window and enter commands. For more information refer to the mini readme in the .zip file. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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