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| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4900 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 9 of 21 02 July 2011 at 11:13am | IP Logged | ||
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If you like listening to music in a foreign language, check out the lyric training website: http://lyricstraining.com/
I've only tried it a bit, but it looks really good. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Luai_lashire Diglot Senior Member United States luai-lashire.deviant Joined 5819 days ago 384 posts - 560 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto Studies: Japanese, French | Message 10 of 21 02 July 2011 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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Looks interesting Jeffers, I'm going to give it a shot for French when I get home. :)
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| Lianne Senior Member Canada thetoweringpile.blog Joined 5106 days ago 284 posts - 410 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Toki Pona, German, French | Message 11 of 21 02 July 2011 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks Jeffers! That site looks great! Too bad they have no Esperanto songs, haha. I'll definitely use it for French though.
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6666 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 12 of 21 03 July 2011 at 10:20am | IP Logged | ||
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Passive listening is very useful. I mean hearing the sounds of the language without paying any attention to them. It might be useful even when you are sleeping.
The goal here isn't learning the language, but get used to it. If you hear your target language as a background music, you will learn faster when you consciously study it. The underlying mechanisms are priming and facilitation processes. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6002 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 13 of 21 05 July 2011 at 12:00am | IP Logged | ||
I really don't think the processes are analogous. When you're proficient in a language, it can be very difficult not to listen to it. You may not have had this experience with lyrics, but maybe there's been a time when you overheard something in a conversation and wanted to stop listening, but simply couldn't. There's just something about language that entrances our brain. We hear voices on the wind and we hear words in music played backwards. But we fit them to the patterns we know -- we don't alter the patterns we're listening for. If thinking in terms of sound doesn't convince you, what about the written form? Put a sentence in English in front of me, and it would take a momentous effort for me be able to keep myself from reading it. I'll be able to duplicate it and recite it on sight and from memory. But put something in the Arabic, Hebrew or Devanagari script in front of me, and it will take a lot of close scrutiny for me to even begin to transcribe it. I certainly won't be able to do it without the model in front of me. Why? The brain doesn't just see a picture -- it sees the objects in the picture. A letter T isn't just two lines: it's a letter T, and my brain knows that. It's a shape that my brain has been conditioned to recognise, because it's a shape that means something. If a shape doesn't mean something, the brain isn't given any motivation to learn to recognise it, and sounds are no different from shapes in that respect. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4900 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 14 of 21 05 July 2011 at 12:17am | IP Logged | ||
That would be simply because you are concentrating on the conversation in your attempt to stop listening! If I tell you not to think about a banana, you can't help but think of a banana (unless you don't know the word or what it refers to). That has to do with what you are concentrating on and what you're ignoring. If you actively try to ignore something, then it is fully present in your mind. If you're simply not noticing it, then you effectively don't absorb it. Different people process language in different ways. If the OP says he doesn't notice lyrics in songs he hears, I believe him. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5757 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 15 of 21 05 July 2011 at 12:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Cainntear, that is not the entire story. I still can't find the study I remembered when writing my first reply, but I've finally figured out that the effect is called repetition priming and it seems to be part of our implicit memory functions. It would be absurd to only recognize patterns we already know - any ape that does that will be killed by an unknown predator very soon after venturing out of the known territory for the first time in their life. With increased frequency in occurrence of a pattern, we become more likely to perceive every new occurrence and try to make sense of it.
I experience visual repetition priming when watching karaoke-subbed Japanese or reading manga with ruby characters. I'm too lazy to look up every unknown word, and I found out: If I see a kanji word 3-5 times one day and have its pronunciation presented to me alongside, I can read the word correctly the next day even when I have no idea what it means. (I am not referrin to words I might have learnt and then forgotten. The words have to be part of natural text and I have to read said text because I am interested in the content.) Still trying to read up on the term, but my rough idea so far is: There is evidence that listening to music and singing along can help your language acquisition, if you do it with songs you like and therefor listen to repeatedly/learn to sing along with. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5660 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 16 of 21 05 July 2011 at 8:23am | IP Logged | ||
I am very good at not listening. My wife accuses me of it all the time. Perhaps I have a genetic defect, in that I don't hear conversations unless I am paying attention to them - or unless they are annoyingly loud and I can't ignore them. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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