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patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7006 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map
| Message 17 of 21 05 July 2011 at 4:41pm | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
I am very good at not listening. My wife accuses me of it all the time. Perhaps I have a genetic defect |
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More likely that it's just a useful side effect of being married.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5757 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 18 of 21 05 July 2011 at 9:54pm | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
Perhaps I have a genetic defect, in that I don't hear conversations unless I am paying attention to them - or unless they are annoyingly loud and I can't ignore them. |
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I wish I had that skill. I only can not listen when I am absolutely engrossed in something, or when I actively concentrate on processing a different language. And not even then I manage to not listen whenever I want to. That is, when I'm with my grandma I sometimes manage to let the things she says just flow over me, because there's no way I can remember what she did with which neighbour when and what their children did and who married and which street name you have to follow to reach which street name to reach which street name to reach which street name to reach your destination.
When I listen to music, I usually want to block out outside sound, especially the sound of people talking. I don't actually 'absorb' the lyrics to a song, but it certainly does influence my thought patterns - the other day I was on my way home, happily engaged in a Japanese mental monologue with myself, and when a Korean song came on I involuntarily switched to Korean.
When I listen to music sung in German or English, I can't easily not pay attention to the lyrics (unless it's screamo or death metal, that's just fine.)
What happens is that because I very often want to block outside noise, I listen to music a lot, and that's usually music I like sung in my weaker languages, as I really like the sound of human voices. When I have nothing else to do, during my commute or waiting somewhere or even when my concentration drifts away from what I've been doing, I start to pay attention to the sounds, suddenly understand a word or a sentence, and then I start to pay more attention to the lyrics. It's not that I absorb the lyrics without paying attention, it's that I don't need to deliberately pay attention and therefor don't notice how much time and repetition it takes me to learn the lyrics to a song - it's fun, and just happens in my down time.
Because of the structure of sung music, songs invite to sing along, or don't they?
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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6541 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 19 of 21 11 July 2011 at 2:54am | IP Logged |
Jeffers wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
maybe there's been a time when you overheard something in a conversation
and wanted to stop listening, but simply couldn't. |
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That would be simply because you are concentrating on the conversation in your attempt to stop listening! If I tell
you not to think about a banana, you can't help but think of a banana (unless you don't know the word or what it
refers to). |
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Not at all. You're talking about the "whatever you do, don't think of bunnies" syndrome. Cainntear is talking about
something that applies to learners of foreign languages. The same thing happens to me. I think it happens not
because I'm trying not to listen to it, but because my ears have been given strict orders to seek and understand the
L2 under any circumstance.
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| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4900 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German
| Message 20 of 21 11 July 2011 at 10:48am | IP Logged |
leosmith wrote:
Jeffers wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
maybe there's been a time when you overheard something in a conversation
and wanted to stop listening, but simply couldn't. |
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That would be simply because you are concentrating on the conversation in your attempt to stop listening! If I tell
you not to think about a banana, you can't help but think of a banana (unless you don't know the word or what it
refers to). |
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Not at all. You're talking about the "whatever you do, don't think of bunnies" syndrome. Cainntear is talking about
something that applies to learners of foreign languages. The same thing happens to me. I think it happens not
because I'm trying not to listen to it, but because my ears have been given strict orders to seek and understand the
L2 under any circumstance. |
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You and Cainntear are, of course, absolutely correct in the general principle. That is the experience of many people, but not all. I was just amused when he wrote that he, "...wanted to stop listening, but simply couldn't". If you're actively focused on not listening to something, I very much doubt you're going to be successful.
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| infosim12 Newbie Russian Federation songtalks.wordp Joined 5495 days ago 14 posts - 16 votes Speaks: Russian* Studies: Polish
| Message 21 of 21 20 October 2011 at 12:35pm | IP Logged |
Songs are great language input. If I like the song I listen to it many times. We may
retell the song without rhyme and make it a song based story. Then we may add questions
and answers to the story, so that we may give answers and hear the correct one that
follows. All that is not for music haters of course:))
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