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tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4697 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
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English has been widely taught for a long time. But before that, sailors on merchant
ships of Dutch origin (usually ships that sold coal) used a Dutch/English pidgin to
communicate with the English. This pidgin was termed "steenkolenengels" in Dutch (lit.
charcoal English). It has become a byword for someone who has a poor command of the
English language nowadays, actually - if someone speaks steenkolenengels they're
probably mangling the language. It is even extended to speaking broken variants of
other languages.
The truth is though that the Dutch and English (and mostly also the Americans) have
had relationships of commercial and diplomatic nature for a long time. There will
always have been a significant subset of the population that spoke English or some
other lingua franca of the time which was used to communicate. But if the criterion is
mutual intelligibility, then no, that did not exist in those days.
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