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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4834 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 17 of 29 21 April 2013 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
If you were talking about written similarity, this statement might be considered as somewhat ambiguous. Nevertheless, now you made your point clear. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5288 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 18 of 29 21 April 2013 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don't understand what you want to say. 20% is more or less nothing. You think a comprehension rate of 20 % is a good thing? Because you understand 20 % it is not difficult? Someone who expects Danish to be comprehensible and finds out that he can understand 20% should not feel like it is a nightmare because, well, why? Makes no sense at all, imo. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6899 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 19 of 29 21 April 2013 at 10:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
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lingoleng - remember that Tarvos has spent less than a year on Swedish. With that in mind, I think 20-30% comprehension of Danish is pretty impressive. After all, I repeatedly hear Swedes who (say that they) can't understand a single word of the language.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4697 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 20 of 29 21 April 2013 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think an initial rate of 20-30% beats 0%. And anything that makes you feel like it is a nightmare is not something you should be doing, languages or no. Describing anything as a nightmare is profoundly unhelpful and discouraging to everybody. We know there is work involved in getting to a good level. That does not mean you can't use what you got, and what you got with Swedish is a whole lot better than zilch. And anything that's not making you start from zilch is something you don't have to do anymore. Let's not pretend you get nothing for free here, that's unrealistic. You don't get a magic key to open your jail door cell. You do get a set of tools that you can most definitely work with, even though the door might not open at first. What I am trying to say is: be positive. Edited by tarvos on 21 April 2013 at 11:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5288 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 21 of 29 21 April 2013 at 11:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
What you did say was that getting used to Danish pronunciation is not different from getting used to Vietnamese tones (which you know quite a lot about, I presume.) Edited by lingoleng on 22 April 2013 at 12:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4697 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 22 of 29 22 April 2013 at 8:24am | IP Logged | |||||
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It's not. It's all pronunciation you need to get used to and practice. That tonality is a
new concept and may take longer to acquire is irrelevant in the long run; you can learn it and it takes practice. Every language has their own sound. By presenting it like this, you are scaring people away, not helping them on the path to fluency. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4834 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 23 of 29 22 April 2013 at 9:34am | IP Logged | |||||
In this regard, you might be interested that Luca often describes his problems with languages by using the word "nightmare" ("Русская грамматика – кошмар"). I think you're exaggerating the impact of this single word. However, let me adjust my statement: Danish pronunciation is complex and demanding compared to other languages with a more straightforward pronunciation such as Swedish or Italian. Edited by Josquin on 22 April 2013 at 9:35am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4697 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 24 of 29 22 April 2013 at 10:15am | IP Logged | |||||
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I am the first to say that Russian grammar contains quite a few interesting nuances that
do make life more time-consuming (difficult is almost always equal to time-consuming in my view) for the uninitiated, but I don't find it a nightmare. That's not to say I don't have problems with certain aspects of Russian, I do, and having a discussion on immigration politics is certainly confusing at times, but I prefer to see the positive in everything. I agree with you that Danish pronunciation is less straightforward, but that can be cured. One does not magically learn how to pronounce things correctly, it takes training for everybody :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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