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| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4386 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes  Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 1 of 8 22 October 2013 at 10:07am | IP Logged | ||
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How much does it help in learning swedish a very solid knowledge in both German and English ?
If you reach ,say a solid B2 in swedish , how much norwegian can you understand . Is mutual intellegibility between swedish and norwegian asymetrical ? Edited by albysky on 22 October 2013 at 10:08am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6580 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 2 of 8 22 October 2013 at 11:37am | IP Logged | ||
Mutual understanding is somewhat asymetrical, but that's just because of exposure. Swedes are exposed to less Norwegian than the other way around. Generally, most Norwegian dialects are pretty easy to understand for Swedes unless they speak quickly. Dunno how it is for learners, though. Thing is, Norwegian has lots of very different dialects. Some are very close to Swedish and some are almost as incomprehensible as Danish. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 3 of 8 22 October 2013 at 11:49am | IP Logged | ||
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From the POV of a learner: If Norwegians speak clearly and adapt their vocabulary a bit
I don't have too much trouble with Norwegians, but that means they need to lay off the super-strong dialect. Danes are another story. However if I end up in Ökkesjökkedal or Mötenöken in Sweden where they speak some weird dialect of Swedish I won't understand them either. Danes should just come with live subtitles and we'll be fine. (There is a pun in this post for anyone who understands Dutch.) German and English help, but Dutch helps more. Particularly because Swedish orthography and phonology mirrors Dutch better than German in writing. Germans have weird things like turning final t into ss and so on, which don't exist in Dutch, and neither in the words Swedish borrowed from low German (which are often the same in Dutch). Cf. betalen - att betala - bezahlen. German has a z here for some reason, but att betala is directly clear for a Dutch speaker because the -a indicates infinitive in Swedish, and -en in Dutch is usually pronounced without the final -n (making the e sound like a schwa as well). It's just a matter of intonation then, and not weakening the final vowel so strongly. Edited by tarvos on 22 October 2013 at 11:54am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4386 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 4 of 8 22 October 2013 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sure , if i were to get serious with swedish , i would not claim to want to be able to understand dialects . I
would be happy with being able to understand standard swedish , i guess pretty much everyone can speak the standard language ,right ? I mean , here in italy there are tons of dialects , most of them arent understandable for naitives who speak another dialect as well , but pretty much everyone can speak standard Italian ,maybe with his own accent , but i dont think it is a problem for an Italian learner , with german is more less the same , i guess it is like that as far as swedish is concerned , am i wrong ? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6907 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 8 22 October 2013 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, people speak mostly standard Swedish but in their own regional accent.
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4826 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 6 of 8 23 October 2013 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||
Was standard Swedish originally based on some particular regional dialect, or was it an amalgam, or what, do you know? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6580 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 7 of 8 23 October 2013 at 7:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Standard Swedish (Rikssvenska) is pretty much based on the dialects spoken around Stockholm, though they in turn have been influenced by other dialects over the years, so it practice it's an amalgamation. A traditional view is that the purest Standard Swedish is spoken in Nyköping.
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| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6907 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 8 23 October 2013 at 9:56am | IP Logged | ||
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A big myth, as far I'm concerned. If I remember correctly, the Nyköping dialect isn't set in stone (no more than any other urban variety), and recording samples would result in lots of features that aren't present in what neither the-man-on-the-street nor the linguist would say are part of Rikssvenska. The typical statement (if any) is that Rikssvenska is the variety spoken in newscasts. That's of course a generalization as well.
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