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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4037 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes  Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 9 of 14 14 August 2014 at 12:47pm | IP Logged |
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Hi @Speakeasy, thank you for your comments and advices. I have a much clear overview.
The goal of this thread is planning my studies, so I can measure the costs (time, money) to arrive. About my level, I would say it is quite strange. I started two years ago to study the language. Or at least, those were my activities: - for the first year, complaining that it was too much difficult instead of studying - for the second year, studying on and off without ever having put the right effort In this precise moment, I receive quite a few job offers in Dutch and I reply to them in Dutch (refusing them all). I have to lookup some word but it is quite smooth now. For what is about my spoken Dutch, in two years I said those 4 sentences: - mag ik een Mango Pudding? - mag ik de rekening? - ik moet betalen - ik spreek geen Nederlands all of these sentences, only once. So I consider myself A1. Ultrabeginner. About the book: I bought it intentionally without the CD. I don't care about the spoken language for the moment, for that I will indeed use Assimil (but in passive only, spaced repetition mode). I might know most of the grammar points of that book, but I need to reinforce my knowledge about the foundations of the grammar, therefore I bought the book because of the exercises (maybe I can complete them all in on month or less instead of 3, still proceeding with Duolingo). I don't want to learn Dutch such incompletely as my English. For this reason I want to avoid having holes in my knowledge yet avoiding to waste time on unhelpful resources. I want to start Assimil when I have a B1 level of grammar, to focus myself to the spoken expressions and not the sentence structures. In the same time I will proceed to intermediate/advanced grammar books. I'm already using native resources. I read De Alchemist understanding more or less the 30%. I will read it again in French and then a third time in Dutch. I read nu.nl sometimes and I started reading Harry Potter. When I'll have the writing level to write essays and the comprehension to read the finest publications and watch movies at the cinema, I will start to study the pronunciation and when the pronunciation is native-like, I will start speaking starting from "Ik spreek alleen een beetje Nederlands", "Hoe gaat het met u" and "wij kunnen om twee huur afspreken" :) (my first real conversation in English was my job interview to come in The Netherlands, so it doesn't sound odd to me ;) My motto is "write from day 1" :D) I need to measure the time needed to achieve this. I would like to start speaking for January 2016. Do you see any issues about my plan? Thank you very much again Edited by tristano on 14 August 2014 at 10:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4378 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 10 of 14 14 August 2014 at 9:42pm | IP Logged |
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In my opinion , you can make it for sure . If I were you , I would choose just one grammar book out of the
ones they have been mentioned . I wouldn't focus too much on drills , I would just try to get an overview of the dutch grammar (which all in all is not so tremendously complex ) and I would try to hit the language (listening and reading ) as soon as possible using elotronic dictionaries and/or a reading software. Assimil , podcasts with a script (on lingq.com they have free content you can get your hands on for this purpose) books and audiobooks etc etc , that is what you should concentrate on, in my humble opinion . at the beginning it might be a bit frustrating given the huge amount of unknown words , but in the long run I am sure it will pay off . Besides you have the great bonus to be living in the netherlands . Edited by albysky on 15 August 2014 at 10:08am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Speakeasy Senior Member Canada Joined 4042 days ago 507 posts - 1098 votes Studies: German | Message 11 of 14 15 August 2014 at 1:57am | IP Logged |
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Hi tristano,
I support all of albysky’s comments. C’est quoi le vieux dicton toujours : “Tous les chemins mènent à Rome »? Bonne chance! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4037 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 12 of 14 15 August 2014 at 5:46pm | IP Logged |
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Hi @albysky, @Speakeasy,
thank you very much. I have a long way (first really Germanic language) but with the valuable advices and encouragements I constantly receive in this forum, I'm sure that I will do it as long as I put the necessary effort to it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| MRoss Newbie Australia Joined 6168 days ago 15 posts - 21 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, German, Spanish | Message 13 of 14 23 August 2014 at 8:41am | IP Logged |
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Tristano,
Welcome to Nederlands. If you tackle grammar first you will make it unnecessarily hard on yourself. Because you will be trying to master word order before you have a sufficient enough number of words. My opinion is, you need an audio version of some text. This would be a luisterboek. This way, you have the option of listening as you read along, or just listening maybe in the way to work. It also gives you text to translate. If you have an English version of the Dutch text then you have something to check your translation against, otherwise you will need someone to double check it for accuracy. The words you translate become your vocabulary list. This will give you an understanding of the text, an ability to understand the spoken word, a feel for the language and its grammar and a vocabulary list. As you translate more, your understanding will increase and you will be able to understand audio you had not yet heard and text not previously translated. After, say a month, then tackle grammar. Start with dutchgrammar.com for info about word order, how "pocket fish" can help with verb endings and tenses and a heap of stuff specifically about Dutch grammar. At the moment it will seem tough, but if you delay doing grammar for a month or so, then it will make sense. And by then you will also have a list of words up your sleeve to apply the grammar. Throw a Pimsleur or Michel Thomas into the mix for spoken learning and pronounciation and your 2016 goal will be very achievable. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4037 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 14 of 14 26 August 2014 at 11:02pm | IP Logged |
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Hoi MrRoss, dank je wel voor jouw inzichten.
Het belangrijk ding hier is: ik ben niet een compleet beginner. Ik gebruikt Pimsleur en Michael Thomas het vorig jaar. Ik weet tussen 1000 worden en ik mogelijk begrijp 2000 (passief). Ik voel dat ik heb nodig om te grammatica studeren omdat ik goede tekst produceren wil, en als kan ik goede tekst produceren, denk ik dat ik kan ook goed spreken. But you're right, the most difficult part for me is understanding what people say, and this is why I want to rely heavily on Assimil before to study advanced grammar and rely on massive input. I almost finished the Pimsleur and arrived to the 6th cd of Michel Thomas, but they both bored me quite a lot and I fell like they were slowing my learning of Dutch. My listening comprehension is improving much quickly by studying grammar than when I studied with Pimsleur and Michel Thomas. I have the impression that my journey between the A2 to B1 will be much quickier than the one I had from A0 to A2 (when I will be there). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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